Plane crashes into tree

"Peter Dohm" wrote

Stay tuned, the same voting block has been moving in. However, you may get
a repreive for a few years due to the end of the current real estate boom.

True, I had not considered the Flor-idiots that have been moving to NC in record
numbers.

As far as the current real estate boom ending, it sure has not ended around my
area, yet. Builders have a hard time finding enough skilled tradesmen.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Peter Dohm" wrote

Stay tuned, the same voting block has been moving in. However, you may
get
a repreive for a few years due to the end of the current real estate
boom.

True, I had not considered the Flor-idiots that have been moving to NC in
record
numbers.

As far as the current real estate boom ending, it sure has not ended
around my
area, yet. Builders have a hard time finding enough skilled tradesmen.
--
Jim in NC

The building boom is still continuing here as well--even though we already
have more than is needed. Land is now so expensive that single family home
construction is mostly limited to high end construction. Also a lot of
people are leaving for greener pastures, due to high purchase costs and the
related high taxes and insurance costs.

I don't know, but presume, that the shortage of skilled tradesmen is at
least as bad here--due to the high cost of lodging.

I met a developer (at an antique car show) who told me that it takes about
seven years, from the completion of planning to the completion of
construction and occupancy. I am not positive, but presume that is for a
medium sized project--so you can see that the housing market must (almost by
definition) fluctuate between under supply and over supply.

Peter

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

Your argument is analogous to claiming that if you, Anthony, jump off
the top of the Eiffel tower when the moon is full you will float.

No, it's analogous to saying that parking a car in a garage isn't the
same as cruising down the highway.

The difference between cruise and approach (and departure, which is also
often hand-flown) is much less than the difference between cruising (in
a car) and parking. The cruise/approach difference is more analogous to
driving on a straight multi-lane superhighway versus a narrow country
road with curves. This analogy is actually quite good. If the highway
is very, very straight and there is no wind and you get it lined up just
so you can probably take your hands off the wheel for a few tens of
seconds. But you think that the mechanics of driving or flight somehow
magically change during cruise (or in a bigger airplane) in such a way
that you can safely crawl into the back seat and take a nap you are
badly mistaken, notwithstanding that there exist video games whose
behavior supports (indeed is the basis of) your opinion.

rg

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:18:05 -0500, "Peter Dohm"
wrote:


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Peter Dohm" wrote

Stay tuned, the same voting block has been moving in. However, you may
get
a repreive for a few years due to the end of the current real estate
boom.

True, I had not considered the Flor-idiots that have been moving to NC in
record
numbers.

As far as the current real estate boom ending, it sure has not ended
around my
area, yet. Builders have a hard time finding enough skilled tradesmen.
--
Jim in NC

The building boom is still continuing here as well--even though we already
have more than is needed. Land is now so expensive that single family home
construction is mostly limited to high end construction. Also a lot of
people are leaving for greener pastures, due to high purchase costs and the
related high taxes and insurance costs.

I don't know, but presume, that the shortage of skilled tradesmen is at
least as bad here--due to the high cost of lodging.

I met a developer (at an antique car show) who told me that it takes about
seven years, from the completion of planning to the completion of
construction and occupancy. I am not positive, but presume that is for a
medium sized project--so you can see that the housing market must (almost by
definition) fluctuate between under supply and over supply.

That'd be for a custom designed and relatively elaborate home. Most
are of the cookie cutter variety. There are thousands of ready made
plans that can easily have minor mods done. We had a custom home
built quite some years back and it took less than a year from the
beginning talks to being moved in.

Most of our larger subdivisions are like that even with home running
near a million dollars. They really move through those inexpensive
300 to 500 thousand dollar ones. :-))

I'm retired. Even the cheap ones are out of my bracket.

Now to develop a subdivision with the required studies would, or could
easily take years and if some one on the planning board, EPA, or local
DNR has it in for you then figure on a few court dates as well.



Peter

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:18:05 -0500, "Peter Dohm"
wrote:


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Peter Dohm" wrote

Stay tuned, the same voting block has been moving in. However, you
may
get
a repreive for a few years due to the end of the current real estate
boom.

True, I had not considered the Flor-idiots that have been moving to NC
in
record
numbers.

As far as the current real estate boom ending, it sure has not ended
around my
area, yet. Builders have a hard time finding enough skilled tradesmen.
--
Jim in NC

The building boom is still continuing here as well--even though we
already
have more than is needed. Land is now so expensive that single family
home
construction is mostly limited to high end construction. Also a lot of
people are leaving for greener pastures, due to high purchase costs and
the
related high taxes and insurance costs.

I don't know, but presume, that the shortage of skilled tradesmen is at
least as bad here--due to the high cost of lodging.

I met a developer (at an antique car show) who told me that it takes
about
seven years, from the completion of planning to the completion of
construction and occupancy. I am not positive, but presume that is for a
medium sized project--so you can see that the housing market must (almost
by
definition) fluctuate between under supply and over supply.

That'd be for a custom designed and relatively elaborate home. Most
are of the cookie cutter variety. There are thousands of ready made
plans that can easily have minor mods done. We had a custom home
built quite some years back and it took less than a year from the
beginning talks to being moved in.

Most of our larger subdivisions are like that even with home running
near a million dollars. They really move through those inexpensive
300 to 500 thousand dollar ones. :-))

I'm retired. Even the cheap ones are out of my bracket.

Now to develop a subdivision with the required studies would, or could
easily take years and if some one on the planning board, EPA, or local
DNR has it in for you then figure on a few court dates as well.

His remarks refered to the development of subdivisions. A small one might
be all one type, meaning apartments, townhouses, or single family
homes--although even some of the smaller developments are currently a mix of
commercial (on the first floor(s)) and apartments above. Increasingly,
medium and larger developments include shopping, professional offices, and
one or two of the housing types. Basically, even medium sized developments
have taken on characteristics of planned communities--which I personally
dislike because of the restrictions, and added costs, placed on the
individual unit owners.

He was definitely not talking about the construction of a few individual
units--whether on spec or to order.

Peter

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:20:36 -0700, unicate wrote:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
I particularly liked the "Learn to fly here" sign.

"gatt" wrote:
It must have been a hairy crash, 'cause my ribs hurt!!

Having watched the salvage people haul my airplane away (they are NOT
careful in any way whatsoever), I would have liked to see how they
handled this one in the tree ... wonder how much is left of the tree.

Speaking of handeling:

Some years back I had the Deb into Battle Creek for a dynamic prop
balancing. A flat bed pulled in with a 421 on the back. It had
suffered a hard landing which folded the gear back, but not much
damage to the plane itself although I can't speak for the spars
internally. As I recall the engines had a slight nose down tilt
compared to the wings. That must have been one hard landing.

The wings had been removed, then the fuselage was set on the bed of
the truck. The wings were held on edge in cradles. I noted the wings
had been picked up by straps that had cut deeply into the trailing
edges and the fuselage was chained down with "Farmer bolts" screwed
into all four of the clevis wing attach points on the fuselage. Those
"Farmer bolts" were slightly over size so they cut threads into each
clevis.

For those who don't know "Farmer Bolts", they are coarse threaded,
square headed bolts.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Might they also be more properly called "stove bolts"?

For those who don't know "Farmer Bolts", they are coarse threaded,
square headed bolts.

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 10:30:11 -0500, Ron Natalie
wrote:

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


To bad that one has been altered. It is really at a Florida bar.

Here's the unaltered photo.

http://www1.airliners.net/open.file/0480799/L/

There's a flying club that has a similar decoration in
Australia. I've got a picture of it somewhere I'll put up.

In Harrison MI, right across the road from the restaurant on the
airport is the "Crash landing Bar". They have a 150 stuck in the
roof. I'll try to find a photo of that one. Yes, it looks fake as they
just simply used external angle iron braces to hold it in place.
Still, it gets drivers attention particularly being right across the
road from the airport.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"john smith" wrote in message
...
Might they also be more properly called "stove bolts"?

For those who don't know "Farmer Bolts", they are coarse threaded,
square headed bolts.


Traditionally, a stove bolt is a bolt with a round head and straight
slot--of the same type as a round-head wood screw.

Peter

Maybe Jay should buy it for his aviation themed hotel!
--
A Merry Christmas!
Cheers
Quilly