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Actually, come to think of it, where Kerry really went wrong was by taking
all of the spotlight away from Edwards after the "pat on the ass" incident. Had he plastered Edwards' face on the front of the ticket prominently next to his, he would have gotten more of the women and gay men to come out and vote for him - enough to win several of those borderline states! Judah wrote in : I'm not sure I agree... I think Gephardt lost out because of nothing short of a lack of charisma. I don't think people were paying that much attention to positions or character during the primaries, and there were way too many people on the list to go very deep. But if he wasn't charismatic enough to beat Kerry on the Primaries, I'm not sure he would have had what it took to beat Bush either. After all, Gore lost on charisma too. I think where Kerry blew it worst is that he never really recovered from the whole "flip-flop" persona. He had opportunities to. But basically, his only comeback was to say that he misspoke when he talked about "voting for it before voting against it." From a public perception, he was saying that he made a mistake by poorly describing his flip-flopping, but never actually addressed the issue of flip-flopping itself. He didn't focus (as I think he should have) on the reality that sometimes it is better to change your opinion in light of new facts than to hold firm to a lie. He could have very easily turned the whole thing around and put Bush in a defensive position - either the President of the United States had the wool pulled over his eyes by his own intelligence agency and is incompetent, or he had hidden motives and went into Iraq based on a lie and pulled the wool over the eyes of the American people and is undeserving. Instead, he left his own trustworthiness unaddressed, and the public just didn't trust him. It didn't help, either, that he constantly spoke about how he had a "better plan" for Iraq, but never really qualified that with what the plan was... Basically it left his credibility completely in question. Either way, I think this is a much more serious issue than stem cell research, or Gay Marraige. I strongly suspect that what the news media is labelling "Moral Values" is not about the latter issues nearly as much as about just general credibility. I guess liberals like me prefer to give Kerry a chance, rather than let Bush go on pulling the wool over our eyes (or allowing it to be pulled over our eyes by his staff). Where conservatives would rather have someone they are comfortable with in office than give the new, unpredictable guy a chance, especially if he has shown he might not be perfect either. No, I think the biggest problem in this election was simply that there was not much difference at all between the two candidates, or if there was, it was so clouded by nonessential issues that the general public was left to vote on whether they are more comfortable with or without change, and not much else. "Jay Honeck" wrote in news:k_bid.351511$MQ5.252777@attbi_s52: These people are mad Kerry didn't run a liberal campaign and can't stand that he "was just as pro-war as Bush." That is SO ironic. If the Democrats has nominated a middle-of-the-road guy to run against Bush -- say, Dick Gephardt -- this election would not have even been close. The Democrats would have swept the nation, and never by less than 25 percentage points. Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the left of Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory. There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included -- who would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election. But there was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like Kerry. The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to run for president again. |
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message m... I have the right to own and fire my Mauser, and, as far as I'm concerned, that includes the right to be allowed to buy ammunition for it. Kerry tried to ban that, I almost forgot,,,,what for goodness sake do you need to be firing ammunition as large as the type that the Mauser uses? Are the deer BIGGER where you live,,, home protection, if that's what you are thinking, favors a shotgun (that's per some cop friends, who would know). But PLEASE tell me that you aren't one of those crazies that thinks that if the "government takes over" its' citizens, you are going to be there like Rambo to prevent it - if that's it,,, don't want to have to tell ya bub, but you'll be easily outgunned and outmanned and be planted in the ground in your tracks, faster than you can blink. Then there are the Freudian possibilities regarding the subconscious need to have BIG cartridges grin Please, the 2nd ammendment says I have the right to firearms, not just the ones that some folks say are ok. -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - |
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"kontiki" wrote in message ... Trent Moorehead wrote: .... I used to think that Democrats were the type of people who were accepting of others, but I have seen over the last few years that they are not. I am a Democrat, but I voted for Bush. He's not perfect, but at least he's not a hypocrite. The liberal democrats I have direct experience with always boast that they are so tolerant and so pro-choice. This only applies to choice in abortions however, and they do NOT approve of choice when it comes to the following: 1) choice in whether or not someone desirec to own firearms (they are against that) 2) choice in education... they are against anything other than mandatory public schools 3) choice in placing your FICA taxes into anything other than the social [in]security 4) choice in health care... they ultimately want the government in charge of all health care options. I could mention more but what stir up the natives. Great response! |
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message ... Awww David, hang around! Lots of good stuff to be learned here. I've lived on the earth long enough to recognize that living amongst Cro-Magnons can be amusing. Yeah, they unfortunately have the right to vote,,,, but they make a few grunts and run in the wall a few times and next thing we know, they are running back to 'us' for advice and help. I, too, am worried about the direction the country will take. For instance, I never thought I'd see the day that something like the "Patriot Act" would be put into place. Whenever we strip away the very core constitutional rights of our people, we do a great harm to our nation and allow the terrorists to exact an even more telling blow on our country. Fortunately, there are enough men and women of reason who have actively gone after things like the Patriot Act, aiding in disabling its' most sinister provisions. It will be men and women of reason and good conscience that will bring things around, again. I DO believe Kerry was one of those people, but thankfully there are many like him - congressmen and women that won't allow those precious and hard-fought-for documents to be attacked at their very heart; The Constitution of The United States and The Bill of Rights - never EVER letting us forget that our Constitution begins with those words; "WE, the people......" Like the second ammendment? Though I can't say I believe in a divine being or UFO's (so, in my opinion, we can't depend on extraterrestrials to help us, either) grin, I can say that I have always believed that in times of dire circumstance that people of good conscience will always overcome, persevere and succeed - even when things look to be their darkest. This country will have it's time to shine, again! :0) I believe that with all my heart! You should too!!! Stay with us! :O) -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - |
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Cecil.
Thanks for taking the time. Too bad it's all wasted, though. mike regish "Cecil Chapman" wrote in message m... Guns He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a bowhunter). Just because one doesn't support ownership of AK-47's and public access to armor-piercing bullets doesn't make one an enemy to gun ownership. In fact, his record as a senator reveals that he has consistently supported appropriate gun ownership. I own two shotguns and a couple of rifles - don't hunt, but skeet and target shoot. Even still, I just don't think the average citizen needs armor-piercing bullets or AK-47's (unless you live in remote parts of Alaska grin)/. ?, gay marriage He stated he was against 'gay marriage' - but in favor of civil unions that allowed long-time gay couples the right to visit their partner in the hospital, claims to benefits, etc. This is something that I would think any reasonable person would think a long-time couple would be entitled to (regardless of the sexual orientation. You know the funny thing about this kind of bigotry is that it reminds me of what we would hear in the 60's "Can't let 'coloreds' have any rights and god-forbid they should be allowed to marry white-folk". Jeesh,,, doesn't anyone EVER learn from the lessons of the past. When are we going to remember the line about 'separation of church and state'. The gay population has become the new 'coloreds' - get over your bigotry. Live and let live. A gay couple in a civil union or marriage,,,, whatever,,,, is no threat to my marriage. In the end it is just about two consenting adults that care about one another and recognizing that they have pledged to spend the rest of their lives together - that sounds pretty cool to me. Of course the ignorant 'religious right' will refer to the Bible, citing that quote regarding the men of Sodom. I will ask these same people if they have ever done anything wrong with their hand, or sinned by looking at something and point out if they haven't cut off that hand or plucked out that eye they have already violated more than a few of the directives in the Bible. and GASP what if your women don't keep their heads covered (as mentioned in both the Old testament AND in the NEW Testament in some of the books of the New Testament written by Paul). Don't even get me started on the absurd Adam and Eve story which (if you are ignorant enough to buy into the account) makes it necessary for all their progeny to commit incest in order to procreate - of course that would partly explain why some people seem to have a 'birth defect' in their unreasoned thinking. grin Regarding the 'gay marriage' issue,,, we need to develop policy based on fairness and reason, not on some quaint historical book with a cross on it. Jeesh,,, we might as well just worship rocks and pray to salamanders for all the similar good it would do. Visit a children's hospital (I have and it will break your heart),,, the children live and die the same whether they pray to a 'god' or speak to hamsters... and personally, if there were a divine being, I can't possibly think of a prayer more worthy of being granted than the prayer of some dear 4 year old in a cancer ward, just asking to see their next birthday, hardly ever seems to be 'granted' though. Of course the 'beauty' of any superstition is that you can go on to make excuses why it doesn't seem to work all the time, but it is still superstition; borne from stories of magic, evil and good spirits. Superstition is great to study, but makes a poor ruler to measure political policy by and make legislative policy. Let's get out of the dark ages. , taxes Good point,,, you're right Kerry was clearly against tax breaks for the wealthy, the group that Bush was caught referring to during a private dinner that was videotaped and to whom he referred to as "My own eople" ---- Got that right, W. Thank goodness there was someone looking out for the common man (and still is,,,, as a Senator) as John Kerry. , the UN. YIKES! Please tell me that you have most of your teeth and that you don't play 'Dueling Banjos' along some remote bayou? The United Nations is LEFTIST? Do you even know the history and original purpose of the United Nations? Read a book! What was wrong with having a consensus (and some help) before blundering into Vietnam... OOPS I mean Iraq? Were we under attack,,,, NO,,,,, I seem to recall Afghanistan had posed that threat but we never finished trying to get HIM. You may not agree but they are. Well, YOU would know.... After all we 'know' that God is on our side......... ooops... that's the same thinking of Bin Laden uses jeesh -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - |
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Cecil,
Repeat after me. Never, never, never argue second amendment rights in a newsgroup. If you need frustration try teaching your dog not to chase rabbits. In fact, you have a better chance of succeeding there than you do in converting NRA members. Michael (A confirmed gun control advocate...) "Cecil Chapman" wrote in message m... He's opposed to private ownership of any firearm except shotguns plugged to three shells. And just where in the Constitution exactly is hunting mentioned? He prattles about "military-style assault weapons" while trying to ban semi-automatics, knowing full well that no military-style assault weapon is semi-automatic. Have you actually read his voting record and what types of weapons each respective legislation was referring to? Evidently, not! -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - |
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"Laura Clayton" wrote in message
... Apparently you can fool 50% of the people, but there is always a noise function. I've often wondered why some people feel the need to insult the intelligence of their fellow voters who simply do not agree with their world views. Actually, according to the Gallup Poll, among Republicans you can fool over 60% of the people. I can't speak for where Bob's coming from, but the truth remains that for the most part, people who voted for Bush don't actually have their facts straight. This is not disputable. Pete |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
Why are all of the conservatives states in places that are cold in the winter? They're not. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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To be fair, the only reason that there was a surplus is because the
country got caught up in a technology stock mania. The market was generating trillions of short term gains and taxes on those gains is what swelled federal and state coffers. Bush entered the white house with millions of taxpayers carrying forward losses. Now, hush, Mike. Don't confuse Cecil with facts like these -- it'll get in the way of his built-up, hard-earned dander... ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
These people are mad Kerry didn't run a liberal campaign and can't stand that he "was just as pro-war as Bush." That is SO ironic. If the Democrats has nominated a middle-of-the-road guy to run against Bush -- say, Dick Gephardt -- this election would not have even been close. The Democrats would have swept the nation, and never by less than 25 percentage points. Heck, if Bush was anywhere near the middle of the road, I might have considered voting for him. I actually had a very unusual experience this election. One of the minor statewide offices here (Chairman of the State Agriculture Commission) had two candidates that had almost identical experience and who held almost identical views regarding the position they were running for. What really made it strange, though, was the fact that I agreed with their positions! It's extremely unusual for there to be one candidate in a contest that I feel I can vote _for_, but two???? I almost didn't know what to do. Rich Lemert |
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