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F-15 Breakup Animation & video
"Clark" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in : "Big John" wrote in message news How do you equate the age of the B-52 fleet compared to the age of the early Model F-15's you are talking about? In terms of flying hours the B-52 fleet may be younger. Ummm, no. The design life of the F-15 is about half of the current average hours on the B-52 fleet. It took less than 2 minutes to google that up. I suspect you'll try to nitpick this, McNicoll. Don't. Just accept the fact that you are wrong again. -- --- there should be a "sig" here A huge bomber is being flown at lower g-loads than a fighter would be in normal training and sorties I would think. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:G2Wij.300291$Fc.57396@attbi_s21... Actually, it does -- unless you don't believe an Air Force contributes to the "common defence" of the country: Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." You didn't go far enough: "...but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." If you wish to gain an understanding of the Constitution, the best sources are James Madison's "Notes On the Constitutional Convention of 1787", "The Federalist Papers", and "The Heritage Guide to the Constitution." |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
: "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:G2Wij.300291$Fc.57396@attbi_s21... Actually, it does -- unless you don't believe an Air Force contributes to the "common defence" of the country: Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." You didn't go far enough: He never does, but then he's got you to take up the slack. Bertie |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:45:00 -0600, Dave S
wrote: Jay Honeck wrote: To put that in perspective, that would be like our fathers and grandfathers flying Spads and Sopwith Camels against the Luftwaffe in 1943. Hardly a fair comparison. The F15 is still an excellent air superiority fighter. It has a PERFECT, unblemished record - its never been shot down. Granted much of this is because of the integrated system in which its deployed - stealth takes out the enemies eyes, AWACS serves as your eye in the sky, etc.. - even if it had to operate without the system, it would be formidable. The B52 assembly line was shut down in the 60's.. and its said the last crews to fly it have yet to be born. Despite being superseded by the B1B and the B2, its still the front line workhorse. Aging issues in the fleet are a serious concern, but that does not mean the design itself is obsolete or faulty. If new parts and airframes were readily available, it would still be top dog for quite a while. Dave To add to your good post. Here is an extract on the F-15 problem. Jay, note the number of birds that have been returned to flight status in the marked paragraph. Big John ----------------------------------------------------- 11/21/2007 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AFPN) -- Gen. John D.W. Corley, commander, Air Combat Command, sent a message Nov. 21 to F-15 pilots, weapons systems officers and maintenance professionals outlining the actions the Air Force has taken following the Nov. 2 F-15C Eagle mishap that resulted in the loss of the aircraft. The message reads: (Quote) Airmen On 2 November, the Air Force experienced an F-15C mishap resulting in the loss of the aircraft. The circumstances of the mishap indicated catastrophic structural failure. On 3 November, the Air Force grounded its F-15 fleet. This decision was not made lightly. It was the right thing to do based upon the nature of this mishap. Grounding a fleet of nearly 700 front-line aircraft has significant operational impact. Total force, joint and coalition partners were able to mitigate that impact. The cause of the mishap remains under investigation. Air Force maintenance and operations professionals and industry experts are working with the accident investigation board to examine all aspects of the mishap. At the same time, structural engineers have conducted in-depth technical reviews of data from multiple sources. We continue to proceed in an inclusive and transparent fashion to derive, as best as humanly possible, the cause of the mishap. We evaluated the grounded fleet. First, we focused on the F-15Es. They are the newest F-15s and have been exposed to less stress. They are structurally different than the A-D models. Problems identified during years of A-D model usage were designed "out" of the E-model. Given these differences, and after consultation with Warner Robins Air Logistics Center and the AIB, we returned the F-15E fleet to flying status following successful inspections. Next, we concentrated on the remainder of the grounded fleet. The AIB is now focused on the area just aft of the cockpit and slightly forward of the inlets. Warner Robins ALC mandated a thorough inspection and repair of all structural components in this area. I have directed each F-15 aircraft be inspected and cleared before returning to operational status. Today, ACC issued (a flight crew information file) and Warner Robins ALC issued an Operational Supplemental Tech Order to further direct and guide your pre-flight and post-flight actions. The F-15 is a formidable war fighting aircraft and workhorse for our Air Force. I applaud each and every Eagle pilot, WSO and maintainer for the meticulous and disciplined way you approached this challenge. Mission accomplishment entails risk. Together, we must remain vigilant and focused on operational risk management to mitigate this risk. Airmen speak up when they see something wrong. I rely on you to ensure all operations and maintenance parameters are in order before flight. The F-15 community can take great pride in the fact that you have met this challenge. We must deliver air power on time, on target given our overriding duty to defend our Country. (End Quote) NOTE THIS PARAGRAPH----------------------- There are nearly 700 F-15s in the Air Force inventory. As of today, 219 of the 224 E-models and 294 of the 442 A-D models in the inventory have been inspected and cleared for flight. ------------------------------------------ In releasing the F-15 fleet to fly, General Corley said the Air Force was accepting a degree of risk. "We accept this risk because of our overriding duty to provide unrivaled combat air power for the defense of our Country," the general said. (Courtesy of Air Combat Command News Service) |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:G2Wij.300291$Fc.57396@attbi_s21... Actually, it does -- unless you don't believe an Air Force contributes to the "common defence" of the country: Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." You didn't go far enough: "...but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; SNIP What's your point? He posted the part that was that had something to do with what he was talking about. Unless it is your position that something else in Art. I Sec 8 says that the Air Force isn't included in the "Common Defense" clause you are just blowing smoke. |
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"Clark" wrote in message ... Ummm, no. The design life of the F-15 is about half of the current average hours on the B-52 fleet. It took less than 2 minutes to google that up. I suspect you'll try to nitpick this, McNicoll. Don't. Just accept the fact that you are wrong again. I suspect you're not at all aware that you made an apples-oranges comparison. B-52 airframes average about 18,000 flying hours. The airframe life is estimated to be between 32,500 and 37,500 hours, depending on the usage history of the individual aircraft. They are relatively young in terms of flying hours because they spent much of their operational life on ground alert. By comparison, the airframe life of the F-15A-D is 8000 hours, some are approaching that now. So in terms of flying hours the B-52 fleet is indeed considerably younger than the F-15 fleet. |
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You didn't go far enough:
In what way? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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