Any W&B calculators that work in 640x480 on HP4700 PDA?

I am after a simple W&B calculator for a PDA, with a few E6B
calculations (density altitude, say) but nothing else.

Try CoPilot, for the palm. It does more than just w&b, but you don't
have to use it. IT is outstandingly excellent though.

Jose
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I used to use CoPilot on a *Palm* and it was exactly what I am now
after, but the HP4700 is Pocket/PC.

Alas and alak.

If it can run excel, you can dummy one up pretty quickly. There is one
at http://www.flying20club.org. At the top, click on "our aircraft",
then at the bottom of that prose, click on any of the actual aircraft.
There are "bring up spreadsheet" links I've set up for our aircraft.
The "new style" one has the graph.

You are welcome to use them as templates, download the spreadsheet and
update it with your own aircraft info, and TEST it. The lawyers are
going to make me emphasize that it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that
your W&B is correct, and that this spreadsheet implies no legal
obligation or liability on our part.

But you knew that.

Jose
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If it can run excel, you can dummy one up pretty quickly.
(etc etc)

I'm missing something here. Unless I've completely misunderstood the
context, W&B for a light single is a couple of minutes with pencil and
paper. What's the need for computer gadgets?

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If it can run excel, you can dummy one up pretty quickly.
(etc etc)

I'm missing something here. Unless I've completely misunderstood the
context, W&B for a light single is a couple of minutes with pencil and
paper. What's the need for computer gadgets?

Well, no one NEEDS a powered lawn mower either.

It is a matter of convience.

A decent utility is usually faster than pencil and paper and less error
prone.

A graphical display give you a better feel for where you are in the
envelope.

Ones like copilot that are integrated in the planning will show you
your WB on the ramp, TO, and landing automatically, which is a big
plus for some aircraft.

The speed of doing the calculations makes it easier to shuffle people,
baggage, and fuel to get within the envelope.

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Jim Pennino

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If it can run excel, you can dummy one up pretty quickly.
(etc etc)

I'm missing something here. Unless I've completely misunderstood the
context, W&B for a light single is a couple of minutes with pencil and
paper. What's the need for computer gadgets?
--
Tim Ward


Peter, the original poster, didn't specify a light single.
I don't know about Peter, but I fly a light twin, with five fuel tanks,
four baggage locations, and three rows of seats.
I use my own, purpose-written Excel spreadsheet in my PDA,
for both weight AND balance, on virtually every flight,
except for occasional flights without baggage or passengers.
With the spreadsheet, I juggle baggage locations for balance,
and I adjust fuel load to stay within max-gross weight limits.
For me, it saves much more than "a couple of minutes with pencil...".

I'm missing something here. Unless I've completely misunderstood the
context, W&B for a light single is a couple of minutes with pencil and
paper. What's the need for computer gadgets?

Six seats, four fuel tanks, fore and aft baggage compartments.
Calculate hourly W&B for fuel burn, adjust pax seat postions to allow
best outcome.

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A graphical display give you a better feel for where you are in the
envelope.

Well, if you're doing it with pencil and paper you've got the graph in the
POH in front of you anyway, so you know exactly where you are in the
envelope.

The speed of doing the calculations makes it easier to shuffle people,
baggage, and fuel to get within the envelope.

Yes, if you have that many options. Like I said, maybe I was missing the
context - if you've got something with lots of seats and lots of fuel tanks
and the option of carrying a non-trivial amount of baggage then that's
beyond weekend local flying in a 172.

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Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear
Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk
Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
Cambridge City Councillor

"john smith" wrote in message
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I'm missing something here. Unless I've completely misunderstood the
context, W&B for a light single is a couple of minutes with pencil and
paper. What's the need for computer gadgets?

Six seats, four fuel tanks, fore and aft baggage compartments.
Calculate hourly W&B for fuel burn, adjust pax seat postions to allow
best outcome.

Ah! That explains the desire not to do it with pencil and paper.

--
Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear
Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk
Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
Cambridge City Councillor

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A graphical display give you a better feel for where you are in the
envelope.

Well, if you're doing it with pencil and paper you've got the graph in the
POH in front of you anyway, so you know exactly where you are in the
envelope.

Well, yes after you plot your calculations on the graph.

However, if you put the actual points on the graph, you'd better be
using copies or the graph is going to get really tattered after a
while.

The speed of doing the calculations makes it easier to shuffle people,
baggage, and fuel to get within the envelope.

Yes, if you have that many options. Like I said, maybe I was missing the
context - if you've got something with lots of seats and lots of fuel tanks
and the option of carrying a non-trivial amount of baggage then that's
beyond weekend local flying in a 172.

I doubt most people do a WB for weekend local flying in anything as the
conditions are probably the same as they were the last 50 times they
did it.

The situations where a WB tool becomes handy is when the brother-in-law
and his wife show up and you need to juggle fuel or if you have one of
those A/C where you can take off within the envelope, burn fuel, and
be out of the envelope.

Some people find such tools handy, if you don't, don't use one.

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Jim Pennino

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Here is a link.
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_d...&associateid=9

And to the person who likes pen and paper - It's 2006 !

Now where is that fireproof suit !

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Roy
Piper Archer N5804F

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"john smith" wrote in message
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I'm missing something here. Unless I've completely misunderstood the
context, W&B for a light single is a couple of minutes with pencil and
paper. What's the need for computer gadgets?

Six seats, four fuel tanks, fore and aft baggage compartments.
Calculate hourly W&B for fuel burn, adjust pax seat postions to allow
best outcome.

Ah! That explains the desire not to do it with pencil and paper.

--
Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear
Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk
Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
Cambridge City Councillor