SeeYou Mobile with SN10B data

Does anyone have any experience driving SeeYouMobile from an SN10B,
using both the GPS data and the vario/wind/air data that the SN10 can
now transmit to a PDA?

Wondering if it is worth the trouble to have a new SN10 wiring harness
made to work with my PDA.

TIA,

Kirk
66

Why would you want a PDA when you have an SN10? This moving map
business is over rated and puts your eyes inside the cockpit. All I
want and need, is the heading and distance to the turn-point and the
same to the nearest landable point. The SN10 gives me that in a quick
glance then my head is back outside where it belongs. Lots of good
stuff going on out there, besides not running into someone. Is the
other guy outclimbing me? If he is, I'd better move my circle over a
tad. Hey, there's a red tail over there.......lets join him. Hmmmm,
the ripples on the water indicate a north wind, that smoke from the
rice stubble indicates a west wind.........bet there's a shear around
here somewhere. I keep my eyes where they belong.
:) JJ
You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.

kirk.stant wrote:
Does anyone have any experience driving SeeYouMobile from an SN10B,
using both the GPS data and the vario/wind/air data that the SN10 can
now transmit to a PDA?

Wondering if it is worth the trouble to have a new SN10 wiring harness
made to work with my PDA.

TIA,

Kirk
66

If you flew your glider in South East England, where airspace is
unbelievably complex, you would want a moving map showing controlled
airspace.

From any significant height the Mark I eyeball cannot tell you within two
or three miles where you are relative to airspace which does not follow
ground features.


At 12:48 28 October 2008, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Why would you want a PDA when you have an SN10? This moving map
business is over rated and puts your eyes inside the cockpit. All I
want and need, is the heading and distance to the turn-point and the
same to the nearest landable point. The SN10 gives me that in a quick
glance then my head is back outside where it belongs. Lots of good
stuff going on out there, besides not running into someone. Is the
other guy outclimbing me? If he is, I'd better move my circle over a
tad. Hey, there's a red tail over there.......lets join him. Hmmmm,
the ripples on the water indicate a north wind, that smoke from the
rice stubble indicates a west wind.........bet there's a shear around
here somewhere. I keep my eyes where they belong.
:) JJ
You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.

kirk.stant wrote:
Does anyone have any experience driving SeeYouMobile from an SN10B,
using both the GPS data and the vario/wind/air data that the SN10 can
now transmit to a PDA?

Wondering if it is worth the trouble to have a new SN10 wiring harness
made to work with my PDA.

TIA,

Kirk
66

On Oct 28, 10:00*am, Big Wings wrote:
...If you flew your glider in South East England, where airspace is
unbelievably complex, you would want a moving map showing controlled
airspace.

Which is, of course, why the ILEC SN10 moving map can
display airspace boundaries....

On Oct 28, 8:48*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Why *would you want a PDA when you have an SN10? This moving map
business is over rated and puts your eyes inside the cockpit. All I
want and need, is the heading and distance to the turn-point and the
same to the nearest landable point. The SN10 gives me that in a quick
glance then my head is back outside where it belongs. Lots of good
stuff going on out there, besides not running into someone. Is the
other guy outclimbing me? If he is, I'd better move my circle over a
tad. Hey, there's a red tail over there.......lets join him. Hmmmm,
the ripples on the water indicate a north wind, that smoke from the
rice stubble indicates a west wind.........bet there's a shear around
here somewhere. I keep my eyes where they belong.
:) JJ
You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.


No, one glance at the moving map takes the same amount of time as
looking at the SN10 to get the same info. Maybe less time.

Todd Smith
3S

On Oct 28, 7:48*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Why *would you want a PDA when you have an SN10?

Sorry, JJ, have to disagree with you on this one, big time. Do you
fly with a sectional? How much time does it take heads down to find a
suitable airport while scratching down low at some new contest
location? The SN10s moving map is too basic, and can require too much
knob twisting to get to the information desired. I use my SN10 for
what it is best at - racing data, accurate winds, final glides,
thermal inforation, vario. The moving map is my backup if my PDA
croaks. I use my PDA as a digital sectional, with the task drawn on,
and all landable fields inrange highlighted, and some data displayed
that is not available from the SN10.

And it only takes a glance to use, instead of trying to fish out the
sectional, unfold it, find out you have the wrong side, the proceed to
thermal IMC with a cockpit full of paper! No thanks! BTDT!

I do agree that the trick is to only go heads down and use the magic
when necessary - but heck, that includes fancy varios and even the
airspeed indicator! But I'm sure you used to preach that to your
students when you were and IP, just as I did as an IWSO, back when we
flew diesel jets with steam-powered radars....

Plus, if all the newbies have fancy PDAs in their cockpits, it makes
it easier for us old clowns to pass them while they are heads down
playing with their toys!

Cheers!

Kirk
66

I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ

kirk.stant wrote:
On Oct 28, 7:48�am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Why �would you want a PDA when you have an SN10?

Sorry, JJ, have to disagree with you on this one, big time. Do you
fly with a sectional? How much time does it take heads down to find a
suitable airport while scratching down low at some new contest
location? The SN10s moving map is too basic, and can require too much
knob twisting to get to the information desired. I use my SN10 for
what it is best at - racing data, accurate winds, final glides,
thermal inforation, vario. The moving map is my backup if my PDA
croaks. I use my PDA as a digital sectional, with the task drawn on,
and all landable fields inrange highlighted, and some data displayed
that is not available from the SN10.

And it only takes a glance to use, instead of trying to fish out the
sectional, unfold it, find out you have the wrong side, the proceed to
thermal IMC with a cockpit full of paper! No thanks! BTDT!

I do agree that the trick is to only go heads down and use the magic
when necessary - but heck, that includes fancy varios and even the
airspeed indicator! But I'm sure you used to preach that to your
students when you were and IP, just as I did as an IWSO, back when we
flew diesel jets with steam-powered radars....

Plus, if all the newbies have fancy PDAs in their cockpits, it makes
it easier for us old clowns to pass them while they are heads down
playing with their toys!

Cheers!

Kirk
66

JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional.

Stick with the SN10 if you are flying a familiar area. But, if you fly
like I do in *UNfamiliar* areas about half the time each year, the extra
information I get with a PDA and SeeYou Mobile is invaluable. I'm
picking out my course as I go (love the OLC!), so "situational
awareness" is my prime need.

When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?

I rarely fly tasks, so knowing instantly how long I've been on course
(course? I don't need no stinking course!) has no value (two button
clicks and I can read, however). I just fly in one direction until I
realize I might not make it back, then I turn around. And speed? I just
fly as fast as I can without getting into trouble. I don't need to know
what the speed is.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
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On Oct 28, 4:01*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional.

Stick with the SN10 if you are flying a familiar area. But, if you fly
like I do in *UNfamiliar* areas about half the time each year, the extra
information I get with a PDA and SeeYou Mobile is invaluable. I'm
picking out my course as I go (love the OLC!), so "situational
awareness" is my prime need.

When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?

I rarely fly tasks, so knowing instantly how long I've been on course
(course? I don't need no stinking course!) has no value (two button
clicks and I can read, however). I just fly in one direction until I
realize I might not make it back, then I turn around. And speed? I just
fly as fast as I can without getting into trouble. I don't need to know
what the speed is.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* Updated! "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * New Jan '08 - sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

And you don't need to worry about landout options because you fly one
of those noisy !@#$ motorgliders. (just channeling JJ).

The biggest problem with PDAs IMHO is lack of daylight visibility. In
my mid-40's its a real issue. At JJ's age... ah stick with the SN10.

I'm addicted to the capabilities of SeeYou Mobile. Folks who like the
SN-10 really seem to love it, but I've had frustrating experience with
SN-10 in rental gliders like the trying to edit an active task - all
driven by completely not knowing what I was doing. The ability to
bring my "world" with me all loaded up on a PDA in my own glider or in
a rental glider is a big plus. The inability to take the SN-10 home
and play with it and get it all configured etc. was an issue for me,
and I pulled one out of a glider I purchased.

Anyhow as usual style nobody has helped Kirk out... but are you sure
that SeeYou Mobile supports the SN10 wind calculations? My (sketchy)
understanding is that the SN10 can speak extended sentences with
calculated wind data but I'm not sure SeeYou Mobile will do anything
with that. I don't think the SN10 transmits TAS data that SeeYou
Mobile would use to improve it's own internal wind calculations.
That's at least how it works with the Cambridge 302 (SeeYou Mobile
does a great job enhancing the wind calculations with the C-302 TAS
data but ignores the wind calculations from the C-302). But if the
SN-10 is not transmitting TAS data maybe SeeYou does use the SN-10
wind. Paging Dave Nadler...

I expect (hope?) the Naviter guys would primarily want to do their own
wind calculations using TAS data from external devices. This should
give end-users better consistency across data sources and leave them
as developers a bit more in of their own application. The only
exception might be in flight computer like the LX-7007 that can
leverage a magnetometer for wind calculations. I have no idea what
they do there.

The user forums at Naviter may be a better place to get help.

Regards


Darryl

On Oct 28, 5:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ


JJ,

I think the problem there, is that they haven't learned how to use
their PDA. I'm sure those pilots would be just as confused with any
instrument, including the SN10.

The best feature of a PDA is the ability to take it home to learn how
to use it. But you do have to have the self discipline to not geek
out in the cockpit and fiddle with the thing.

Todd Smith
3S