SeeYou Mobile with SN10B data

The biggest problem with PDAs IMHO is lack of daylight visibility. In
my mid-40's its a real issue. At JJ's age... ah stick with the SN10.

What, me old? Guess so, my OCS class is holding its 50th reunion next
year!
JJ

On Oct 28, 5:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ


JJ,

I think the problem there, is that they haven't learned how to use
their PDA. I'm sure those pilots would be just as confused with any
instrument, including the SN10.

The best feature of a PDA is the ability to take it home to learn how
to use it. But you do have to have the self discipline to not geek
out in the cockpit and fiddle with the thing.

Todd Smith
3S

On Oct 29, 9:31*am, toad wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:

I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ

JJ,

I think the problem there, is that they haven't learned how to use
their PDA. *I'm sure those pilots would be just as confused with any
instrument, including the SN10.

The best feature of a PDA is the ability to take it home to learn how
to use it. *But you do have to have the self discipline to not geek
out in the cockpit and fiddle with the thing.

Todd Smith
3S

Naw, the very best feature of a PDA is the ability to load the proper
database file into your nav computer on the grid (of the contest site
you just arrived at) without looking like a doofus. :-) :-)

-T8 (and occasional doofus)

On Oct 28, 10:00*am, Big Wings wrote:
...If you flew your glider in South East England, where airspace is
unbelievably complex, you would want a moving map showing controlled
airspace.

Which is, of course, why the ILEC SN10 moving map can
display airspace boundaries....

On Oct 28, 9:31*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

.... Folks who like the
SN-10 really seem to love it, but I've had frustrating experience with
SN-10 in rental gliders like the trying to edit an active task - all
driven by completely not knowing what I was doing. The ability to
bring my "world" with me all loaded up on a PDA in my own glider or in
a rental glider is a big plus. The inability to take the SN-10 home
and play with it and get it all configured etc. was an issue for me...

If you need to practice, run the SN10 demo program on your PC.
The time to set up an SN10 for a specific site and task is
EXTREMELY short, with even the tiniest bit of practice...

...My (sketchy)
understanding is that the SN10 can speak extended sentences with
calculated wind data but I'm not sure SeeYou Mobile will do anything
with that. I don't think the SN10 transmits TAS data that SeeYou
Mobile would use to improve it's own internal wind calculations.
...But if the
SN-10 is not transmitting TAS data maybe SeeYou does use the SN-10
wind. Paging Dave Nadler...

The SN10 wind calculation is transmitted to the PDA.
The PDA has no need for ASI.
See:
http://www.nadler.com/sn10/sn10_pda_support.html

I expect (hope?) the Naviter guys would primarily want to do their own
wind calculations using TAS data from external devices.

Why ? When the SN10 already has the best wind measurement available ?

...I have no idea...

See ya, Dave

On Oct 29, 3:54*am, Andrej Kolar wrote:

... We all know that the wind in SN-10 is great.

Thanks you, yhall is making me blush...

But there is no reason to duplicate this wind on SeeYou Mobile...

There is no reason to duplicate the *measurement*.
There is every reason to accept the wind from the SN10
and use it in any calculations in the PDA.

AFAIK true or indicated airspeed is not available in SN-10 NMEA
output which means we can't compute the wind in straight flight when
connected to the SN-10.

As both our customers have requested, *please* just take the
wind from the SN10, as some of your competitors (Pocket
StrePla and others) are doing...

Due to the lack of TAS/IAS in SN-10's NMEA the only benefit is the
vario data that comes from the SN-10...

No, if you would use the SN10 wind, you can display which
alternates can be reached accurately...

...while we are away flying....
Andrej

Looks like the season is about done here ! Too cold, short days,
time to get to the winter projects and the next SN10 upgrades ;-)

See ya, Dave "YO electric"

On Oct 28, 8:48*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Why *would you want a PDA when you have an SN10?

What customers have told us is:
- I want a moving map ALWAYS displayed for alternates and airspace
- I want to see alternates without page-fiddling
- I want to use the SN10 for everything EXCEPT the map

This is how we arrived at the current NMEA outputs;
to support the common customer requests.

This moving map business is over rated and puts your eyes inside
the cockpit.

For those that want to see this info all the time, its
less time heads-down with the PDA map display

You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.

Thanks !

Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

PS: See JJ, some of these guys are a whole lot more nervous
than you ex-fighter-jocks, so they need to have this info
always available rather than just checking when appropriate ;-)

On Oct 28, 2:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ

JJ,

Thanks for asking!

What I was looking for is large moving map 6.5" diagonal that is
sunlight readable, color, VGA and offers all the features, bells and
whistles included with WinPilot PRO or SeeYou Mobile Software and
allows you to select from a externsive list of features and use only
the ones you want.

I have been selling Ipaqs and Ipaq software for 6 years. The largest
number of complaints we I can't see the screen. My Ipaq battery
went dead and I lost the program.

So I designed a product to solve these problems. The Craggy Aero
Utimate.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Oct 29, 11:27*am, DRN wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:48*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:

Why *would you want a PDA when you have an SN10?

What customers have told us is:
- I want a moving map ALWAYS displayed for alternates and airspace
- I want to see alternates without page-fiddling
- I want to use the SN10 for everything EXCEPT the map

This is how we arrived at the current NMEA outputs;
to support the common customer requests.

This moving map business is over rated and puts your eyes inside
the cockpit.

For those that want to see this info all the time, its
less time heads-down with the PDA map display

You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.

Thanks !

Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

PS: See JJ, some of these guys are a whole lot more nervous
than you ex-fighter-jocks, so they need to have this info
always available rather than just checking when appropriate ;-)

Dave, I still don't get why you don't provide the TAS data on NEMA.
You seem to say that pilots, or the PDA software, can compare the
calculated wind from the differnet devices but you are tying the hands
of the PDA software a bit and either it has to do non-TAS enganced
wind calculations or it has to take the SN-10 calcualted wind data.
Why not let the PDA software see the same TAS data you are using? That
does nothing to take away from the good wind calculations the SN10 is
doing internally. Again I can see why Naviter would prefer to do their
own raw wind calculations - and as a user I'd prefer the PDA software
be using the same basic algorithms regardless of the source I'm
conected to.

To Andy's point I do like to compare different wind calculations. But
in my case I am checking what my Cambridge 303 is showing vs. what
SeeYou is showing (enhanced from the C302). Here there is a common
point of failure in the TAS data (unlike Andy's setup). I suspect many
pilots are competently unaware of what is actually going on between
their GPS/flight computer and PDA software for wind calculations. What
would be useful is if Naviter (and other?) software vendors would
explain more clearly the sources/behavior of wind calculations, Mc
settings, ballast settings, etc. depending on what device they are
connected to. Andrej, if that documentation exists shoot me down
now...

Regards


Darryl

Very interesting discussion. I myself use SN10 + PDA(SeeYou). Besides
what have been mentioned, SeeYou also leaves traces which are useful
to come back at exactly the same place in wave, etc.

I think the original question is easy to answer.. You can buy
everything you need to make the cable at Radio Shack for less than
$10, so just go for it and see if you like it.

-Gen