Multi time building Q

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:1c428362-f0b6-4f81-b0f4-
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In fact if you let your 4 year old grand daughter try her hands at the
controls during a cross country flight (legal under part 91) then no
one an log PIC.

Unless you are a CFI and are giving instruction, then you can log it.

On Dec 12, 9:54 am, "F. Baum" wrote:
Robert, thanks for the post. Something to remember is that this letter
is 15 years old and the FAA has revised the definitions of logable
flight time several times since 1992. Also, as it pertains to these
multi engine timebuilding mills, there is still a big grey area . This
is why it comes up alot during a pilots interview. I have seen it come
up at major airline interviews (I have been ask this) so it is a good
idea to be truthfull as to ones capacity during a flight. Happy
Holidays,
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There are two seperate issues he

1) Who is ACTING PIC?
2) Who can log PIC

Regardless of whether it's a Piper Cub or an Airbus A380, only one
person aboard the aircraft can ACT as PIC. They are the commander,
with sole responsiblity of the ship. Period.

Logging PIC is a different story. In the case of a flying under the
hood, the safety pilot must agree to ACT as PIC. By virtue of being
PIC and a required crewmember, he may also LOG PIC. Because the guy
with the hood is the sole manipulator of the controls, he may log PIC
as well. If the guy under the hood insists on ACTING as PIC, the
safety pilot may only log SIC by virtue of being a required
crewmember. I can assure you the opinion of the FAA has not changed
on this since 1992.

The shady logging scenarios included CFIs in the backseat providing
"instruction" to sole manipulator and safety pilot, while logging PIC
time as instruction given. I imaging these schemes have been shut
down by now.

I have given dual while in the back seat.
Pilot in the left seat was working on his CP, pilot in right seat was
getting his CFI. I logged PIC, the student in the left seat logged PIC as
sole manipulator and the CFI student in the right seat did not log it,
except for the time he was demonstrating a maneuver [sole manipulator].

In a multiengine airplane, I would allow a student to observe from the back
seat if the student pilot did not object, but in that case, the back seater
did not log pilot time, even though they learned a lot and did assist with
traffic.

There isn't any free flight time, but just watching is helpful, but isn't
"pilot time" but the FAA can and does disallow obvious fraudulent time and
can revoke your certificate and make you wait a year before you can apply
again. They will require that you only use the "honestly logged" time.


"Brad" wrote in message
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| On Dec 12, 9:54 am, "F. Baum" wrote:
| Robert, thanks for the post. Something to remember is that this letter
| is 15 years old and the FAA has revised the definitions of logable
| flight time several times since 1992. Also, as it pertains to these
| multi engine timebuilding mills, there is still a big grey area . This
| is why it comes up alot during a pilots interview. I have seen it come
| up at major airline interviews (I have been ask this) so it is a good
| idea to be truthfull as to ones capacity during a flight. Happy
| Holidays,
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|
| There are two seperate issues he
|
| 1) Who is ACTING PIC?
| 2) Who can log PIC
|
| Regardless of whether it's a Piper Cub or an Airbus A380, only one
| person aboard the aircraft can ACT as PIC. They are the commander,
| with sole responsiblity of the ship. Period.
|
| Logging PIC is a different story. In the case of a flying under the
| hood, the safety pilot must agree to ACT as PIC. By virtue of being
| PIC and a required crewmember, he may also LOG PIC. Because the guy
| with the hood is the sole manipulator of the controls, he may log PIC
| as well. If the guy under the hood insists on ACTING as PIC, the
| safety pilot may only log SIC by virtue of being a required
| crewmember. I can assure you the opinion of the FAA has not changed
| on this since 1992.
|
| The shady logging scenarios included CFIs in the backseat providing
| "instruction" to sole manipulator and safety pilot, while logging PIC
| time as instruction given. I imaging these schemes have been shut
| down by now.