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Old May 24th 05, 12:50 AM
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In rec.aviation.owning Dave S wrote:
I agree that this guy's ticket is gone gone gone... but my point is...
before we lynch the fella, we are going to ensure he has a fair trial.
He has not had that yet.


Dave


A trial in this case would be an appeal to the NTSB.

Doing that would be extremely stupid.

He got essentially the minimum punishment for a finding of violation.

The NTSB could easily decide that wasn't enough and call for a civil
penalty of up to $1000 for each violation cited. He has at least 8.

Sometimes it is best to just shut up and take your medicine.

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Old May 24th 05, 01:00 AM
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Heard on local DFW radio that he couldn't have carried the student anyway -
he had not logged the required takeoffs & landings in the previous 90 days!!


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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&sn=018&sc=478

AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot
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Monday, May 23, 2005

(05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small
plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11,
forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive
mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court.

Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's
restricted
airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation.

The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an
emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he
"constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce."

The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who
was
also in the plane.

"This action reflects the seriousness in which we view all restricted
airspace violations and, in this case, the level of incursion into
restricted airspace," said FAA spokesman Greg Martin.

The plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward
highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of
people
as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it.

The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of
flight
time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S.
Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it.

Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before
operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report
before leaving Smoketown, Pa., and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to
Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions.

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Old May 24th 05, 01:55 AM
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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Montblack wrote:
"The Hurricane That Saved London"

(From the show page)
Only one fighter plane ever crashed in the streets of London during WWII,
and the story of the crash is the stuff of novels. We join a team of
excavators, at a busy intersection just blocks from Buckingham Palace, that
is about to uncover what remains of it. We also get the firsthand account of
the crash from the doomed plane's pilot Ray Holmes, who is still alive to
tell his story. While defending London from Nazi attacks, Holmes rammed his
fighter plane into a German bomber in a desperate attempt to deflect the
bomber from its target--Buckingham Palace. It worked, but not before Holmes
lost control of his own plane and was forced to eject.



Hurricanes had ejection seats? I learn something new here every day. G




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Old May 24th 05, 01:58 AM
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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Dean Wilkinson wrote:
HOW do you as a safe, qualified pilot fly over Washington DC and not know
it's Washington DC? Are there any pilots in these forums that DON'T know
it's restricted airspace?

I think it was warranted. If an instructor shows such poor judgement as to
violate a highly publicised ADIZ through lack of adequate flight planning
and usage of advanced navigation equipment (hell, even VOR would do the
trick), he needs to be given remedial instruction. A year off to think
about it sounds fair and proper.



NOT an instructor. A private pilot. Now a former pilot. The student will get
to fly again simply because even if he was manipulating the controls, the
private pilot was the pilot in command.



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Old May 24th 05, 02:03 AM
John Galban
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


Hurricanes had ejection seats? I learn something new here every day.

G

Come on, he was quoting the History Channel. It's been my experience
that you can expect to see a few aviation faux pas in their programs
every now and then.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Old May 24th 05, 02:32 AM
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Terri Schiavo's Feeding Tube" wrote in message
...
I wish they'd shot that Schaefer guy. He's rat****ed all of us. No
doubt, there will be some great clamor from the lay public for the FAA
to "DO SOMETHING," and the FAA will drool and do something all right.
It'll be stupid, pointless and ineffective, will rat**** a lot of
law-abiding people and not accomplish a thing.


Oh gee, a Prodigy weenie... And a semi-anonymous one at that... Like anyone
actually gives a **** what a web-tv wantabe actually thinks (and I'm using
that term *very* loosely)...


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Old May 24th 05, 02:34 AM
Franklin Newton
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Dear tube,
You need to take a longer look at who is actually doing the rat*****ng, it's
not Shaefer and it's not Osama.

"Terri Schiavo's Feeding Tube" wrote in message
...
I wish they'd shot that Schaefer guy. He's rat****ed all of us. No
doubt, there will be some great clamor from the lay public for the FAA
to "DO SOMETHING," and the FAA will drool and do something all right.
It'll be stupid, pointless and ineffective, will rat**** a lot of
law-abiding people and not accomplish a thing.

I hope Schaefer never sees a left seat again.



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Old May 24th 05, 02:37 AM
Matt Barrow
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"Grumman-581" wrote in message
news:Iuvke.2341$Is4.888@attbi_s21...
Terri Schiavo's Feeding Tube" wrote in message
...
I wish they'd shot that Schaefer guy. He's rat****ed all of us. No
doubt, there will be some great clamor from the lay public for the FAA
to "DO SOMETHING," and the FAA will drool and do something all right.
It'll be stupid, pointless and ineffective, will rat**** a lot of
law-abiding people and not accomplish a thing.


Oh gee, a Prodigy weenie... And a semi-anonymous one at that...


And schizophrenic at that!


Like anyone
actually gives a **** what a web-tv wantabe actually thinks (and I'm using
that term *very* loosely)...


Bigot!! :~)



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Old May 24th 05, 03:02 AM
Juan Jimenez
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
. com...
Montblack wrote:
"The Hurricane That Saved London"

(From the show page)
Only one fighter plane ever crashed in the streets of London during WWII,
and the story of the crash is the stuff of novels. We join a team of
excavators, at a busy intersection just blocks from Buckingham Palace,
that
is about to uncover what remains of it. We also get the firsthand account
of
the crash from the doomed plane's pilot Ray Holmes, who is still alive to
tell his story. While defending London from Nazi attacks, Holmes rammed
his
fighter plane into a German bomber in a desperate attempt to deflect the
bomber from its target--Buckingham Palace. It worked, but not before
Holmes
lost control of his own plane and was forced to eject.



Hurricanes had ejection seats? I learn something new here every day. G


Yes, it had one of those newfangled Beatfeet Industries ejection seat, whose
single electrical component was a lightbulb on the instrument panel above a
placard that read "And now for something completely different!"


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Old May 24th 05, 03:38 AM
Ron Garret
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In article ,
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

Dean Wilkinson wrote:
HOW do you as a safe, qualified pilot fly over Washington DC and not know
it's Washington DC? Are there any pilots in these forums that DON'T know
it's restricted airspace?

I think it was warranted. If an instructor shows such poor judgement as to
violate a highly publicised ADIZ through lack of adequate flight planning
and usage of advanced navigation equipment (hell, even VOR would do the
trick), he needs to be given remedial instruction. A year off to think
about it sounds fair and proper.



NOT an instructor. A private pilot. Now a former pilot. The student will
get
to fly again simply because even if he was manipulating the controls, the
private pilot was the pilot in command.


But does he get to log the time as PIC?

;-) ;-) ;-)

rg
 




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