C-182's to avoid?

IMHO it's a dicey time to be buying any big-bore, fuel-injected, 200+
horsepower airplane. With 100 LL on its way out

I've been hearing that for 15 years. It's no more true today than back
then.

I hope you're right. However, the "80/20" rule of 100 LL use is
starting to really hurt us. 80% of 100 LL has traditionally been used
by 20% of the market, meaning the big-bore piston twins. With Cessna
421s and Navajos being replaced more and more with Jet-A-swilling
turbine-powered King Airs in the charter world, that 80% of the market
is disappearing.

When it's only guys like you and me buying 100 LL, it *will* go away.
Every industry source I can find points to its demise, sooner than
later. (There are already FBOs reporting difficulty obtaining
supplies.)

As for alcohol in mogas, there will always be boaters, snowmobilers
and custom car guys who can't use the stuff -- which means we'll
always have alcohol-free mogas. It just won't be as easy and
convenient (or as cheap) as it is now.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

100LL is a high profit, low volume, boutique item for the refiners...
As long as they can make their hefty profit per gallon it will be
available... Whether you will buy it at that price is a separate
issue...

denny

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
...
As for alcohol in mogas, there will always be boaters, snowmobilers
and custom car guys who can't use the stuff -- which means we'll
always have alcohol-free mogas. It just won't be as easy and
convenient (or as cheap) as it is now.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


About the only way to find true gasoline around here is to go to a marina...maybe I need to put floats on the 172!

Jay Honeck wrote:


As for alcohol in mogas, there will always be boaters, snowmobilers
and custom car guys who can't use the stuff -- which means we'll
always have alcohol-free mogas. It just won't be as easy and
convenient (or as cheap) as it is now.
--





I have a boat, a 20 foot speed boat with a Chevy 5.7L. I wouldn't care
if the gas had alcohol, can't imagine why I would. I'm not aware of any
boats that can't use it although I suppose there are some. There's no
prohibition in any of the boat brochures/manuals I've seen. Same for
snomobiles and I'm not sure why the custom car guys would care. Here in
Montana you have to really look to find ethanol. In Minnesota you have
to really look to find gas without it. We spend time in MN every
summer, if boating and ethanol were a problem I'd have heard about it.

Jay Honeck wrote:


When it's only guys like you and me buying 100 LL, it *will* go away.
Every industry source I can find points to its demise, sooner than
later. (There are already FBOs reporting difficulty obtaining
supplies.)


And that's really what the Feds want... after all... the FET tax
is higher for JET-A than for 100LL.

JET-A used to be significantly lower in cost than AVGAS but of
late the price has gone up to where there isn't really a lot of
difference in price between it and 100LL. Federal taxes are
higher on JET and that's what government likes so eventually
having everyone be a slave to JET-A creates a nice warm fuzzy
environment.

Eliminate choices... force everyone into a single fuel then
when they do... sock it to 'em. We lose they win.

Denny wrote:
100LL is a high profit, low volume, boutique item for the refiners...
As long as they can make their hefty profit per gallon it will be
available... Whether you will buy it at that price is a separate
issue...

denny

Then move to JET-A... that's a bigger profit for government. Plus
you'll spend a _lot_ more $$$ for an airplane that can burn it.

You can pay me now or you can pay me later.

"kontiki" wrote in message ...
Jay Honeck wrote:


When it's only guys like you and me buying 100 LL, it *will* go away.
Every industry source I can find points to its demise, sooner than
later. (There are already FBOs reporting difficulty obtaining
supplies.)


And that's really what the Feds want... after all... the FET tax
is higher for JET-A than for 100LL.

JET-A used to be significantly lower in cost than AVGAS but of
late the price has gone up to where there isn't really a lot of
difference in price between it and 100LL. Federal taxes are
higher on JET and that's what government likes so eventually
having everyone be a slave to JET-A creates a nice warm fuzzy
environment.

Eliminate choices... force everyone into a single fuel then
when they do... sock it to 'em. We lose they win.



We bought a diesel truck a number of years ago when the price of diesel was pretty low. Not long after, diesel prices
soared and surpassed 'gasoline' prices. We recently got rid of the old truck and went back to gas powered, and
remarkably the price of diesel is still about the same as 'gasoline', so maybe they haven't figured out we sold the
truck yet ;-)

"kontiki" wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck wrote:


When it's only guys like you and me buying 100 LL, it *will* go away.
Every industry source I can find points to its demise, sooner than
later. (There are already FBOs reporting difficulty obtaining
supplies.)


And that's really what the Feds want... after all... the FET tax
is higher for JET-A than for 100LL.

JET-A used to be significantly lower in cost than AVGAS but of
late the price has gone up to where there isn't really a lot of
difference in price between it and 100LL. Federal taxes are
higher on JET and that's what government likes so eventually
having everyone be a slave to JET-A creates a nice warm fuzzy
environment.

Eliminate choices... force everyone into a single fuel then
when they do... sock it to 'em. We lose they win.

And that would do the proverbial "Kill the goose that laid the golden egg".

The 100LL burners are only going to be replaced piecemeal, and over ten or
more years at that. In the interim, the feds lose whatever revenue they
would have garnered.

You must realize that revenue to the feds is like heroin to an addict --
they WANT IT NOW!!!