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"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
If it's good enough to get shot at in, it's good enough to wear to McDonalds. I'm looking forward to seeing Marines in line at McD's wearing their PASGT vests and Fritz helments... (It's a joke, Doug! See :-) -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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On 10/17/03 7:14 PM, in article
, "Thomas Schoene" wrote: "Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message If it's good enough to get shot at in, it's good enough to wear to McDonalds. I'm looking forward to seeing Marines in line at McD's wearing their PASGT vests and Fritz helments... (It's a joke, Doug! See :-) Funny thing is: As soon as I wrote it, I predicted that sort of response. It's a good joke, Tom! Happy to lob you the softball. --Woody |
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"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
(It's a joke, Doug! See :-) Funny thing is: As soon as I wrote it, I predicted that sort of response. It's a good joke, Tom! Happy to lob you the softball. Hey, I can use all the help I can get. Of course, it's not really a fair comparison. Marines wearing flak jackets would be like you showing up with speed jeans, survival vest, and helmet. The Marines dop get to go off-base in cammies, after all. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Woody,
If it's good enough to get shot at in, it's good enough to wear to McDonalds. Every cop I've ever met would agree with you. You get the prize for this week's most quotable line in R.A.M.N. -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA 650-726-7890 "That's as close as I've been to Earth in 60,000 years, and it's as close as I EVER want to get." - The Planet Mars, quoted in New Yorker Magazine "Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... On 10/17/03 1:52 PM, in article , "Ogden Johnson III" wrote: "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal" wrote: Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a positive image to the public. Maybe the flight suits of the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds. I know the flight suits worn by any number of the pilots in the squadrons I served in would express anything *but* a "positive image to the public", were they to be seen in them off-base. OJ III [Maj Foo, my OpsO, to Maj Bar, a Wing pogue assigned to fly with us to maintain currency, "'Slick', when are you gonna survey that flight suit? I'm ashamed to be seen on the flight line walking out to the aircraft with you. The plane captains don't want you /sitting/ in their aircraft, much less flying them. Maintenance Control wants me to bring the book to you to sign the bird out and in, so you won't have to enter their shack. ... ... ..."] Strictly referring to the uniform itself (or organizational clothing for you purists): When I go to the grocery store in my flight suit, I am immediately recognized as a pilot by the public. Since 9/11, OEF, and OIF, it expresses a positive image to the public because they know it's my business clothes. If you're referring to the overall condition of the garment, that's a matter of personal responsibility and command leadership (i.e., the XO needs to pound a few heads and rattle the supply folks). If it's good enough to get shot at in, it's good enough to wear to McDonalds. --Woody |
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"Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ...
The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you, Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the question instead of ending the post after the top line. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't sure if you felt I was one of the uptight people that worried about stuff like that. But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant... The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing. (a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over. (b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less "special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the same reason I don't wear the black ones) Why are they given the option of wearing brown shoes now?! BUT many of them opt for the green Nomex flight jacket (which used to be an "aviators only item) instead of the (standard) khaki jacket. Hmm, that's no good. The Nomex should remain an aviator only garment. ~Michael |
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Michael wrote: "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you, Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the question instead of ending the post after the top line. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't sure if you felt I was one of the uptight people that worried about stuff like that. But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant... The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing. (a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over. (b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less "special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the same reason I don't wear the black ones) Why are they given the option of wearing brown shoes now?! BUT many of them opt for the green Nomex flight jacket (which used to be an "aviators only item) instead of the (standard) khaki jacket. Hmm, that's no good. The Nomex should remain an aviator only garment. ~Michael On my Tin Can, which was new construction, we had a full complement of nice new foul weather gear. In addition to the regular green cloth jackets, we had a number of "Extreme foul weather" coats. These were some kind of shiny synthetic, well padded and insulated, and had a cool looking rib running down the outside of each sleeve. Naturally , these were much coveted and a command decision was made to issue them to officers and chiefs only. This directive was modified down in the gear locker to be: officers, chiefs, and SK (Storekeeper) petty officers. As you would expect, this created an immediate uproar and the original unmodified policy was quickly forced, enforced and reinforced. The SK's hadn't really expected to get away with it anyway. I don't think the flight gear battles are a whole lot different. Bob McKellar, former Tin Can Pork Chop |
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