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Basic Stupid Newbie Questions...
[Note by author: This post edited before post to keep on-topic.
Editing very basic. Apologies if some stuff doesn't make sense....) Hiya. I'm a newbie here. Please don't hurt me.:-) Anyhow, was wondering if anyone here could help me with a tiny set of questions I've had for a long, long time. Basic stuff, but never found the answers for. OK, to explain. In the rest of my life, I help run a small PBEM with a modern-day geopolitical theme. So, I keep having a need for some pretty esoteric data. Like this. Namely, I need the following. Since I'm on my last ropes, I figured I'd ask here. I've looked through Google Groups and looked for websites on Google and Yahoo. Nogo.:-( I Combat Systems Costs I need costs (per unit, "sticker price" if you will) for the following combat systems (in current USD). Before you ask: I've looked on Google. I've looked on Yahoo. I've been looking for the past 3 years. Most stuff I can make up (for rifles, radios, etc)...However, for bigger ticket items, I have no frame of reference. So...in a BIG list (so as to keep from spamming looking multiple times...) Kfir C2 Kfir C7 Mirage III Mirage V Mirage 2000 F16C (Let's say block 52, for argument's sake) F/A 18 F/B 22 F/A 35 F15C F15E MiG-29 MiG-31 MiG-35(?) AH-64D AH-1 Mi-24 Ka-50 Su-27 Rafale Eurofighter Phalcon A-50 Mainstay E-3 E-2C II Unit sizes OK, this sounds really stupid. But, y'know, I've looked. NOBODY I know (30 different people thusfar have looked) can find it. Again, looked at Google, etc. I need the most BASIC info....Unit sizes. I'll detail what I need he How many A/C (and how many people) per Flight? Per Squadron (and how many flights per Sqn), Wing (how many people per wing? A/C per wing? Sqns per wing?) and...up. 3. Foreign equivalents If you know, please. The same data for non-US forces (Commonwealth countries, FSU-trained, or anybody else) would be very, very appreciated. ----- OK, please don't flame me for asking such newbie questions. I feel unworthy even for asking them. But...Thanks in Advance. |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:21:52 -0400, John Penta wrote:
I Combat Systems Costs I need costs (per unit, "sticker price" if you will) for the following combat systems (in current USD). Before you ask: I've looked on Google. I've looked on Yahoo. I've been looking for the past 3 years. Most stuff I can make up (for rifles, radios, etc)...However, for bigger ticket items, I have no frame of reference. You asked this question before, a few weeks ago. You got some useful URLs, from me and other people. Why are you asking again? -- A: top posting Q: what's the most annoying thing about Usenet? |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:43:56 +0200, DAN wrote:
John Penta wrote: I need costs (per unit, "sticker price" if you will) for the following combat systems (in current USD). Kfir C2 Kfir C7 Mirage III Mirage V Those have been out of production for decades. there is no point in trying to express in the same current currency a mirage 3 which was produced in the early 60s and a Rafale being produced now. Besides,... the most recent sale of a Mirage III was for USD 1.00, and is being delivered right now. From Argentina back to the IDF-AF museum at Hatzerim. Good machine, too: 12 confirmed kills. Tells you something about current market price? LOL. I thought I heard soemthing about Israel selling Brazil (or perhaps India) C10 models of the Kfir...? Now, re unit sizes: I don't even know where to LOOK, that's the problem. I figured militaries all templated this stuff, at least based upon unit role/mission. Google, yahoo, etc. are useless because they simply overload me with information, and it's difficult to impossible to find the useful bits. John |
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DAN wrote:
Really? I entered into google: " "kfir c-10" brazil " and on the 1st page I had the following link, http://www.estadao.com.br/agestado/n...ago/15/116.htm which contains the following tidbit. I don't speak brazilian or portugese, but US$ must mean the same thing over there. For milhoes and bilhao, try guessing millions and billion... "a FAB vai alugar, por US$ 91 milhões, 12 aviões Kfir C-10 israelenses para substituir os Mirage a curto prazo. Para o longo prazo, o projeto FX-BR prevê a compra de compra de 12 a 24 caças supersônicos. O valor da licitação varia entre US$ 700 milhões e US$ 1 bilhão, e há cinco grupos na disputa." Fishbowl's translation from Portueguese to English says: "the BAF goes to rent, for USS 91 million, 12 Israeli airplanes Kfir C-10 to substitute the short-term Mirage. For the long stated period, the Fx-br project foresees the purchase of purchase of 12 the 24 supersonic huntings. The value of the licitation varies between USS 700 million and USS 1 billion, and has five groups in the dispute." I think we can figure it out. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:11:37 +0200, DAN wrote:
John Penta wrote: I thought I heard soemthing about Israel selling Brazil (or perhaps India) C10 models of the Kfir...? Now, re unit sizes: I don't even know where to LOOK, that's the problem. I figured militaries all templated this stuff, at least based upon unit role/mission. Google, yahoo, etc. are useless because they simply overload me with information, and it's difficult to impossible to find the useful bits. Really? I entered into google: " "kfir c-10" brazil " and on the 1st page I had the following link, http://www.estadao.com.br/agestado/n...ago/15/116.htm which contains the following tidbit. I don't speak brazilian or portugese, but US$ must mean the same thing over there. For milhoes and bilhao, try guessing millions and billion... [snippage] You misunderstand my post. I was referring to an inability to find info re unit sizes, not the Kfir. John |
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