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PowerFLARM Portable mount option
For those of you who have asked about mounting options for the
portable PowerFLARM, I have taken the time to make a 3-d model of an idea I've had for a while and which should lend itself well to this application. It is described and rendered here http://www.FlarmFund.org/flarm_fund_002.htm I hope the link works. Dale Kramer |
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Hi Dale,
Very interesting idea. However, as someone who sells a lot of RAM parts, I should mention that it may also work to use a simple RAM-B-238 aluminum diamond base. The 2 mounting holes on the RAM diamond bases are approximately the same distance from center to center as the 2 mounting holes on the side or top or bottom of a 57 mm instrument. A small round file can be used to slightly widen the holes on the RAM diamond base so that it can be mounted using the 2 instrument screws that hold the instrument. Of course, this is not a perfect solution because the diamond base will cover part of the instrument. But it may be OK with some instruments, such as a g-meter or compass. And a resourceful user could also file or grind off much of the side of the diamond base to limit interference. Below is a link to the RAM part I'm talking about. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ram.htm#RAM-B-238 Alternatively, a RAP-273 "Flexible Base with Pressure Sensitive Adhesive Pad" could be used to mount a RAM base on any hard surface - such as the cockpit sidewall. It would work great with the RAM-B-238 mentioned above, or a RAP-B-238 plastic diamond base. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ram.htm#RAP-273 Or a RAM-B-237 ball with 1/4" male camera thread could be screwed into an existing camera mount or into the instrument panel. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ram.htm#RAM-B-237 Just thinking out loud here. I'm certainly not knocking your idea. It is a very elegant design. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. "DaleKramer" wrote in message ... For those of you who have asked about mounting options for the portable PowerFLARM, I have taken the time to make a 3-d model of an idea I've had for a while and which should lend itself well to this application. It is described and rendered here http://www.FlarmFund.org/flarm_fund_002.htm I hope the link works. Dale Kramer |
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On Oct 12, 3:44*pm, DaleKramer wrote:
For those of you who have asked about mounting options for the portable PowerFLARM, I have taken the time to make a 3-d model of an idea I've had for a while and which should lend itself well to this application. It is described and rendered herehttp://www.FlarmFund.org/flarm_fund_002.htm I hope the link works. Dale Kramer I want one! It would allow me to free up a 2 1/4" instrument panel hole that currently is used for a PDA mount. Then I can use the hole for my PowerFlarm. 9B |
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On Oct 12, 11:26*pm, Andy wrote:
On Oct 12, 3:44*pm, DaleKramer wrote: For those of you who have asked about mounting options for the portable PowerFLARM, I have taken the time to make a 3-d model of an idea I've had for a while and which should lend itself well to this application. It is described and rendered herehttp://www.FlarmFund.org/flarm_fund_002.htm I hope the link works. Dale Kramer I want one! *It would allow me to free up a 2 1/4" instrument panel hole that currently is used for a PDA mount. Then I can use the hole for my PowerFlarm. 9B No, you are going to put a transponder in first! |
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On Oct 13, 12:38*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:26*pm, Andy wrote: On Oct 12, 3:44*pm, DaleKramer wrote: For those of you who have asked about mounting options for the portable PowerFLARM, I have taken the time to make a 3-d model of an idea I've had for a while and which should lend itself well to this application. It is described and rendered herehttp://www.FlarmFund.org/flarm_fund_002.htm I hope the link works. Dale Kramer I want one! *It would allow me to free up a 2 1/4" instrument panel hole that currently is used for a PDA mount. Then I can use the hole for my PowerFlarm. 9B No, you are going to put a transponder in first! I have a hole for that. |
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Dale, Paul: Well done! Keep going!
In writing the glidperpilot.org/flarm pages we soon realized that the standard idea of just velcroing powerflarm to the glareshield won't work well for most competition gliders. It's thicker than the regular flarm. The folks at flarm responded brilliantly by offering the box plus external display option. (Note you can also use the thin led style display if you don't want to use up a hole). But good creative options for the regular powerflarm are brilliant and really needed. Attaboys, keep up the good work! Also, think about the best options for the separate box plus display, especially in carbon fuselages. We're going to be installing a lot fast! John cochrane |
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I understand the clearnav is compatable with flarm, so I assume it
will be compatable with powerflarm. Does this mean clearnav users do not need any other external display? Or is there other info that is available on the external display that is not going to be shown on the clearnav? Joe Simmers |
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Hi Joe,
So far the ClearNav (and all other soaring flight software products - as far as I know) will display FLARM data but not the ADS-B or transponder traffic data. Hopefully they will update their software to support the display of that data. It is my understanding that the PowerFLARM will send out the ADS-B and transponder traffic data through the serial port. I recommend using the small PowerFLARM display even if you are also using a ClearNav or PDA because it is more "urgent" than the display of data on a PDA or ClearNav. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. "joesimmers" wrote in message ... I understand the clearnav is compatable with flarm, so I assume it will be compatable with powerflarm. Does this mean clearnav users do not need any other external display? Or is there other info that is available on the external display that is not going to be shown on the clearnav? Joe Simmers |
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On Oct 13, 8:53*am, "Paul Remde" wrote:
Hi Joe, So far the ClearNav (and all other soaring flight software products - as far as I know) will display FLARM data but not the ADS-B or transponder traffic data. *Hopefully they will update their software to support the display of that data. *It is my understanding that the PowerFLARM will send out the ADS-B and transponder traffic data through the serial port. I recommend using the small PowerFLARM display even if you are also using a ClearNav or PDA because it is more "urgent" than the display of data on a PDA or ClearNav. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. "joesimmers" wrote in message ... I understand the clearnav is compatable with flarm, so I assume it will be compatable with powerflarm. Does this mean clearnav users do not need any other external display? Or is there other info that is available on the external display that is not going to be shown on the clearnav? Joe Simmers Well, that's a good point. How exactly will the data be presented in the NMEA stream (hope you are listening, Urs!). The detailed spec for that is available on the web (I found one at http://www.gliding.ch/manuels/flarm_..._v3.00_en.pdf). I would assume the PFLAU and PFLAA sentences would have to have some variation that can display transponder traffic data. I would think that ADS-B traffic data could more or less be displayed without having to change the sentences (there might be somewhat less data in the PFLAA sentence for it, but that sentence already can have missing fields). Most of the PDA in-flight software already handles these sentences, so those developers need to know what's going to change so they can update their software accordingly. There are also a number of external displays that can handle that data that will need updating as well. -- Matt |
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Hi,
Another point worth mentioning is that while the FLARM and ADS-B data will for a specific point in space, the transponder data will only give range and altitude - not the specific direction or exact position. I believe the PowerFLARM displays will show transponder traffic as a ring around the glider's position that indicates the range (distance) to the traffic. I am assuming that soaring flight software will do the same eventually. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. "mattm" wrote in message ... On Oct 13, 8:53 am, "Paul Remde" wrote: Hi Joe, So far the ClearNav (and all other soaring flight software products - as far as I know) will display FLARM data but not the ADS-B or transponder traffic data. Hopefully they will update their software to support the display of that data. It is my understanding that the PowerFLARM will send out the ADS-B and transponder traffic data through the serial port. I recommend using the small PowerFLARM display even if you are also using a ClearNav or PDA because it is more "urgent" than the display of data on a PDA or ClearNav. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. "joesimmers" wrote in message ... I understand the clearnav is compatable with flarm, so I assume it will be compatable with powerflarm. Does this mean clearnav users do not need any other external display? Or is there other info that is available on the external display that is not going to be shown on the clearnav? Joe Simmers Well, that's a good point. How exactly will the data be presented in the NMEA stream (hope you are listening, Urs!). The detailed spec for that is available on the web (I found one at http://www.gliding.ch/manuels/flarm_..._v3.00_en.pdf). I would assume the PFLAU and PFLAA sentences would have to have some variation that can display transponder traffic data. I would think that ADS-B traffic data could more or less be displayed without having to change the sentences (there might be somewhat less data in the PFLAA sentence for it, but that sentence already can have missing fields). Most of the PDA in-flight software already handles these sentences, so those developers need to know what's going to change so they can update their software accordingly. There are also a number of external displays that can handle that data that will need updating as well. -- Matt |
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