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Old January 27th 05, 08:15 PM
gatt
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Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.

-c


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Old January 27th 05, 08:52 PM
Peter R.
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gatt ) wrote:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check?


Absolutely not.

Part of going missed is practicing all those "going missed" items:
mixture forward, prop forward, throttle forward, gear up, flaps up, cowl
flaps open, and (in my case) prop then back to 2500 rpms.

If I skipped the GUMPS, I wouldn't be accurately practicing the missed
approach configuration items properly. Additionally, the aircraft
wouldn't react the same way as if the gear were down, etc.

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Peter





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Old January 27th 05, 08:53 PM
Peter R.
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Peter R. ) wrote:

gatt ) wrote:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check?


Absolutely not.


I should clarify because I only read "amend/ignore." I absolutely
*complete* the GUMPS check during all approaches, despite knowing I am
going missed during a practice approach.

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Peter





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Old January 27th 05, 09:13 PM
Dudley Henriques
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"gatt" wrote in message
...

Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft
yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to
be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing
yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex
endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.


No. I wouldn't do that, and here's why. Your practice approaches should
include everything you would usually do in the airplane, and that
includes all checklist procedures and cockpit housekeeping. You want the
workload to be the same as it would be in the real situation. That's the
way it will be on the real missed approach and that's the way you want
to practice it.
Keep in mind these are MY procedures. Other pilots might differ in their
"approach" to this scenario. :-)
Dudley Henriques
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Old January 27th 05, 09:40 PM
Bob Gardner
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Many instructors advise instrument students to hang the gear out when the
glideslope is about a dot above center..the added drag starts you down the
hill, and it's awfully hard to forget the gear if you follow this advice.

Bob Gardner

"gatt" wrote in message
...

Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex
endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.

-c




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Old January 27th 05, 09:50 PM
gatt
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"Peter R." wrote in message

I should clarify because I only read "amend/ignore." I absolutely
*complete* the GUMPS check during all approaches, despite knowing I am
going missed during a practice approach.


Cool. Thanks, Peter!

-c


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Old January 27th 05, 09:54 PM
gatt
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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No. I wouldn't do that, and here's why. Your practice approaches should
include everything you would usually do in the airplane, and that
includes all checklist procedures and cockpit housekeeping. You want the
workload to be the same as it would be in the real situation.


That's what I thought. I think I'm going to hold off on the instrument
approaches in that airplane until I'm not so green in the airplane to avoid
becoming a statistic.

-gatt


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Old January 27th 05, 10:07 PM
Peter R.
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gatt ) wrote:

That's what I thought. I think I'm going to hold off on the instrument
approaches in that airplane until I'm not so green in the airplane to avoid
becoming a statistic.


What kind of aircraft is it?

--
Peter





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Old January 27th 05, 10:18 PM
Dave Butler
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gatt wrote:
Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.


I always do the GUMPS check. I almost always do a touch-and-go out of a practice
approach.
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Old January 27th 05, 10:19 PM
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Landing checklist completed prior to arrival at the Final Approach Fix.
Gear, flaps and power setting are FAF configuation items to provide
consistant, stable approaches.

 




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