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"The Visitor" wrote in message
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RST Engineering wrote:


You just don't get it, do you? No.


When you have the balls to post your real name, let me know and I'll
continue the conversation.

Jim

On Apr 19, 7:25 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:
That's an interesting heresy and untruth. Mind telling us how you came to
believe this?

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ooglegroups.com...



without opening the unit (which is now illegal to do ).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm told you have to have an FAA approved manual for the unit to open
it. The manufactor has keep those manuals secret (like Garmin does) so
you have to send it to the factory. However, the factory will no
longer look at it. Are you saying you would be willing to open the
unit and service it for me???

-Robert

Howdy!

In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:25 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:
That's an interesting heresy and untruth. Mind telling us how you came to
believe this?

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
messagenews:1176693109.733600.114470@b75g2000hsg. googlegroups.com...



without opening the unit (which is now illegal to do ).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm told you have to have an FAA approved manual for the unit to open
it. The manufactor has keep those manuals secret (like Garmin does) so
you have to send it to the factory. However, the factory will no
longer look at it. Are you saying you would be willing to open the
unit and service it for me???

You initial statement was a bald assertion that opening the unit was
*illegal* for you to do. Now you say that someone (unnamed) told you
this.

Perhaps you could examine the relevant regulations to see what rules
apply in what way.

Merely opening up the case is unlikely to be *illegal* on its face.
It might be that, having opened it up, it can't be put back into
service (as a transmitter) without the blessing of someone with the
appropriate radio credentials. It might be that any repairs that are
made have to be vetted by same credentialed repair person. It might
be an old wives' tale.

I don't know the answer, and I bet Jim does, but you haven't asked
the right question.

yours,
Michael


--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix narrowwares
Bowie, MD, USA | http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
Proud member of the SCA Internet Whitewash Squad

In Canada a pilot isn't even allowed to remove and re-install a radio.
Actually not even tighten it up in it's tray, technically.
Obviously those get ignored alot but opening the case, hmmmm.
I'm sure his local(or not so local) FSDO will help him out.

John

Michael Houghton wrote:
Howdy!

In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:25 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:

That's an interesting heresy and untruth. Mind telling us how you came to
believe this?

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in

messagenews:1176693109.733600.114470@b75g2000hsg .googlegroups.com...



without opening the unit (which is now illegal to do ).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm told you have to have an FAA approved manual for the unit to open
it. The manufactor has keep those manuals secret (like Garmin does) so
you have to send it to the factory. However, the factory will no
longer look at it. Are you saying you would be willing to open the
unit and service it for me???


You initial statement was a bald assertion that opening the unit was
*illegal* for you to do. Now you say that someone (unnamed) told you
this.

Perhaps you could examine the relevant regulations to see what rules
apply in what way.

Merely opening up the case is unlikely to be *illegal* on its face.
It might be that, having opened it up, it can't be put back into
service (as a transmitter) without the blessing of someone with the
appropriate radio credentials. It might be that any repairs that are
made have to be vetted by same credentialed repair person. It might
be an old wives' tale.

I don't know the answer, and I bet Jim does, but you haven't asked
the right question.

yours,
Michael

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:17:56 -0400, The Visitor
wrote:

In Canada a pilot isn't even allowed to remove and re-install a radio.
Actually not even tighten it up in it's tray, technically.
Obviously those get ignored alot but opening the case, hmmmm.
I'm sure his local(or not so local) FSDO will help him out.

John

Could you cite the appropriate CAR please. Those seem like rather
harsh rules for something that's not even required for safe flight.
Am I breaking rules when I remove my ELT and send it out for recert.

On Apr 20, 11:03 am, (Michael Houghton) wrote:
Howdy!

In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:



On Apr 19, 7:25 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:
That's an interesting heresy and untruth. Mind telling us how you came to
believe this?

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
messagenews:1176693109.733600.114470@b75g2000hsg. googlegroups.com...

without opening the unit (which is now illegal to do ).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm told you have to have an FAA approved manual for the unit to open
it. The manufactor has keep those manuals secret (like Garmin does) so
you have to send it to the factory. However, the factory will no
longer look at it. Are you saying you would be willing to open the
unit and service it for me???

You initial statement was a bald assertion that opening the unit was
*illegal* for you to do. Now you say that someone (unnamed) told you
this.

Perhaps you could examine the relevant regulations to see what rules
apply in what way.

Merely opening up the case is unlikely to be *illegal* on its face.
It might be that, having opened it up, it can't be put back into
service (as a transmitter) without the blessing of someone with the
appropriate radio credentials. It might be that any repairs that are
made have to be vetted by same credentialed repair person. It might
be an old wives' tale.

This is without a doubt the stupidest reply I've ever seen on USNET.
Gee, if you ever need heart surgery I can do that for you. I can
remove your heart. Apparently you don't think its relevant that I
don't know how to put it back in. Once this unit is opened, it is a
paper weight, there is no one who is legally able to return it to
service so I'll have to live with it working intermitantly unless the
cause is external.
Gees, you'd think there would be an IQ test to use a computer.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Gees, you'd think there would be an IQ test to use a computer.


A testimony to Windows and Macs.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Gees, you'd think there would be an IQ test to use a computer.


Robert, you have a talent for hitting the nail, square on the head.

I probably don't belong in here(to many pin headed buzzards)but I had to
come back to your post, and pay it homage; one more time.

People's attitudes are so indicative of their life choices.
It is that diversity that makes the world-go-round.

Don't you change.

John

Howdy!

In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:03 am, (Michael Houghton) wrote:
Howdy!

In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:25 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:
That's an interesting heresy and untruth. Mind telling us how you came to
believe this?

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
messagenews:1176693109.733600.114470@b75g2000hsg. googlegroups.com...

without opening the unit (which is now illegal to do ).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm told you have to have an FAA approved manual for the unit to open
it. The manufactor has keep those manuals secret (like Garmin does) so
you have to send it to the factory. However, the factory will no
longer look at it. Are you saying you would be willing to open the
unit and service it for me???

You initial statement was a bald assertion that opening the unit was
*illegal* for you to do. Now you say that someone (unnamed) told you
this.

Perhaps you could examine the relevant regulations to see what rules
apply in what way.

Merely opening up the case is unlikely to be *illegal* on its face.
It might be that, having opened it up, it can't be put back into
service (as a transmitter) without the blessing of someone with the
appropriate radio credentials. It might be that any repairs that are
made have to be vetted by same credentialed repair person. It might
be an old wives' tale.

This is without a doubt the stupidest reply I've ever seen on USNET.
Gee, if you ever need heart surgery I can do that for you. I can
remove your heart. Apparently you don't think its relevant that I
don't know how to put it back in. Once this unit is opened, it is a
paper weight, there is no one who is legally able to return it to
service so I'll have to live with it working intermitantly unless the
cause is external.

Clearly, you have read very little on USENET.

I'm just responding to your words. Your story keeps changing with
each reply.

Can you cite actual regulations that support your claims? You've been
asked in various ways to do so, but you have shown no inclination to
do so. That speaks poorly of your ability to reason from facts.
You continue to insist that if you open it up, it can never be
returned to service. On what grounds (citations required) do you make
that claim?

I hypothesized a number of possible explanations for your claim, but
have no reason to try to do your homework for you. In addition, I see
no reason for you to get abusive in your reply. The fact that you have
done so speaks volumes of your character.

Gees, you'd think there would be an IQ test to use a computer.

Would you get special dispensation to not have to take it?

yours,
Michael


--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix narrowwares
Bowie, MD, USA | http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
Proud member of the SCA Internet Whitewash Squad

I'm told you have to have an FAA approved manual for the unit to open
it.

Really? Find an FAA approved manual for any radio without a TSO. Narco?
King? Icom? Microair? You won't find an "approved" manual for (literally)
hundreds of models from dozens of manufacturers.




The manufactor has keep those manuals secret (like Garmin does) so
you have to send it to the factory. However, the factory will no
longer look at it. Are you saying you would be willing to open the
unit and service it for me???


Not without a service manual, approved or otherwise. Not for legality, but
for tech data necessary to service.


Jim