Should We Bomb Syria and Iran?

"Rob van Riel" wrote in message
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I can't recall hearing any mullah screaming for my blood recently. Or
that of Americans, for that matter.

And, then:

None of this has any relevance to the fact that in recent years, there
have been no calls for the destruction of the US.

Rob

I don't think you have been *listening*, Rob. For instance, in
'91...Afghani Mulla (and a Taleban leader) Mohammad Omar
chatted with the BBC. Among other things, he said:

"You (the BBC) and American puppet radios have created concern. But the
current situation in Afghanistan is related to a bigger cause - that is the
destruction of America."

And:

"This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for God's help. The real
matter is the extinction of America. And, God willing, it [America] will
fall to the ground."


Cheers.

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"Emmanuel Gustin" wrote in message
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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Terrorism is a local phenomenon only if all the funding, weapons,
training, personnel and other forms of support are "centralized
locally". A modern terrorist group cannot hope to survive if it's
structured like an octopus. That model is vulnerable and obsolete.

That model has never been obsolete, precisely because it
is the least vulnerable model.


You've got it backwards. That model is not used by global terrorist
groups because it is obsolete. Al Qaeda has no centralized system
of supply and support. They rely on multiple sources.

Hence the octopus analogy.


The tentacles of an octopus branch out from one, very centralized head.
Hence the lunacy of your response.



Groups like al Quaeda are not big monolithic corporations;

Exactly. But that statement conflicts with your previous one.

Tip: always *read* the post you're replying to I know it wastes time you
could be spending on building Airfix models, but you may avoid looking like
a t**t.


Obviously, you and Gustin cannot even count to one.
Must be a British and European thing. : )

(Kenneth Williams) wrote in message om...

IMO the Germans didn't do any worse than the current
US Special Forces that were searching for Osama Bin Laden or Saddam
Hussein. Same situtation in both Afghanistan and Iraq with resistance.


The current British , Australian and German special forces didn't have any
luck finding Bin Laden either.


I would also have to agree that the terrain in Yugoslavia favored the
defenders as the Germans didn't control most of the countryside
anyway. However, the Germans did kill many partisans in constant
reprisal raids even though they were tied down in the country.


The Germans were losing the war against partisans all along. The
Nazis and their Allies suffered enormous casualties and were no
closer to winning when they bugged out.

On or about 20 Oct 2003 12:45:01 -0700,
(Evan Brennan) allegedly uttered:

(Kenneth Williams) wrote in message om...

IMO the Germans didn't do any worse than the current
US Special Forces that were searching for Osama Bin Laden or Saddam
Hussein. Same situtation in both Afghanistan and Iraq with resistance.


The current British , Australian and German special forces didn't have any
luck finding Bin Laden either.

Probably because they were not tasked with it. IIRC they were deployed
on counter-Taliban tasking in Afghanistan, and the tales from Iraq
have not yet emerged excepting the role the Aussies played in securing
some stuff out West, not the kind of high value target search you're
talking about.


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Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"John Mullen" wrote in message
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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"Emmanuel Gustin" wrote in message
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
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Terrorism is a local phenomenon only if all the funding, weapons,
training, personnel and other forms of support are "centralized
locally". A modern terrorist group cannot hope to survive if it's
structured like an octopus. That model is vulnerable and obsolete.

That model has never been obsolete, precisely because it
is the least vulnerable model.


You've got it backwards. That model is not used by global terrorist
groups because it is obsolete. Al Qaeda has no centralized system
of supply and support. They rely on multiple sources.

Hence the octopus analogy.


The tentacles of an octopus branch out from one, very centralized head.
Hence the lunacy of your response.

I see what you mean. I read the octopus analogy as meaning that it has many
tentacles, and that even cutting off one or two doesn't guarantee you kill
it. Perhaps that's what Emmanuel meant as well. I think I agree with you
both, now that I properly undersatnad what you were actually trying to say.

I would count that as misunderstanding rather than lunacy.

Groups like al Quaeda are not big monolithic corporations;

Exactly. But that statement conflicts with your previous one.

Tip: always *read* the post you're replying to I know it wastes time you
could be spending on building Airfix models, but you may avoid looking
like
a t**t.

This was unnecessarily rude and I apologise.

Obviously, you and Gustin cannot even count to one.
Must be a British and European thing. : )

One I can usually manage

John

Peter Kemp peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom@ wrote in message . ..
On or about 20 Oct 2003 12:45:01 -0700,
(Evan Brennan) allegedly uttered:

(Kenneth Williams) wrote in message om...

IMO the Germans didn't do any worse than the current
US Special Forces that were searching for Osama Bin Laden or Saddam
Hussein. Same situtation in both Afghanistan and Iraq with resistance.


The current British , Australian and German special forces didn't have any
luck finding Bin Laden either.

Probably because they were not tasked with it. IIRC they were deployed
on counter-Taliban tasking in Afghanistan, and the tales from Iraq
have not yet emerged excepting the role the Aussies played in securing
some stuff out West, not the kind of high value target search you're
talking about.


---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

Close to 200 German KSK were operating with US Special Forces in
covert cross border raids into Pakistan, hunting the Taliban. This is
one of the things Schroeder was opposed to. Since the KSK were under
US command, neither Schroeder nor his defense minister were kept
up-to-date with where the KSK was operating or what they were doing.
This had to influence Schroeder's decision not to send German troops
to Iraq and break his vow of support to President Bush.

Rob

"PosterBoy" wrote in message news:AMOkb.133271$6C4.20947@pd7tw1no...
"Rob van Riel" wrote in message
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I can't recall hearing any mullah screaming for my blood recently. Or
that of Americans, for that matter.

And, then:

None of this has any relevance to the fact that in recent years, there
have been no calls for the destruction of the US.

Rob

I don't think you have been *listening*, Rob. For instance, in
'91...Afghani Mulla (and a Taleban leader) Mohammad Omar
chatted with the BBC. Among other things, he said:
some murederous comments snipped

That was 12 years ago, and in a different country. Things have changed
since then in Iran. There's little doubt the Iranian religious
establishment dislikes the US, but they have become more reasonable
about it, and about many other things as well.

The Taliban decided to stick to the rabid dog act, but they weren't
the subject of this discussion.

Rob

"Rob van Riel" wrote in message
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"PosterBoy" wrote in message
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"Rob van Riel" wrote in message
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I can't recall hearing any mullah screaming for my blood recently.
Or
that of Americans, for that matter.

And, then:

None of this has any relevance to the fact that in recent years, there
have been no calls for the destruction of the US.

Rob

I don't think you have been *listening*, Rob. For instance, in
'91...Afghani Mulla (and a Taleban leader) Mohammad Omar
chatted with the BBC. Among other things, he said:
some murederous comments snipped

That was 12 years ago,

Sorry; my typo, Rob.
It was in November, 2001...not in "'91", as I typed. So definitely "in
recent years." Definitely. And Mullah Krekar is still at it...despite the
Dutch deportation and the Norwegian charges.
Please begin again. (And...you specified no particular country in your
"screaming mullah" remark. I figger when you say "any" you mean "any"...not
some.)

Cheers.

robert arndt wrote:


Close to 200 German KSK were operating with US Special Forces in
covert cross border raids into Pakistan, hunting the Taliban. This is
one of the things Schroeder was opposed to. Since the KSK were under
US command, neither Schroeder nor his defense minister were kept
up-to-date with where the KSK was operating or what they were doing.
This had to influence Schroeder's decision not to send German troops
to Iraq and break his vow of support to President Bush.

Rob

You mean that the german military either omitted information or just
never bothered to tell their own govt, that they were doing cross-borders ?

Man that has to tell you something about the german govt.

Declan O'Reilly

"PosterBoy" wrote in message news:h7klb.140399$9l5.84204@pd7tw2no...
Sorry; my typo, Rob.
It was in November, 2001...not in "'91", as I typed. So definitely "in
recent years." Definitely. And Mullah Krekar is still at it...despite the
Dutch deportation and the Norwegian charges.

Like I said, the Taliban never improved their act, and are probably as
bloodthirsty as ever.

Please begin again. (And...you specified no particular country in your
"screaming mullah" remark. I figger when you say "any" you mean "any"...not
some.)

Nope, given the context of the original post I replied to, which was
about Iran, not the muslim world as a whole if such an entity even
exists, my remark meant 'any from the Iranian establishment'. To the
best of my knowledge, that statement is correct, ie. the Iranian
government, including those of religious rank, have over the last
decade become more and more moderate in their relations with the
outside world, and have not been calling for the destruction of the US
or any other nation or group in recent years.

Rob