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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
I was recently contacted by my local FSDO (Scottsdale AZ) with a
request to do a ramp inspection of my glider. He explained that starting this year, he is required to do "a ramp inspection and records review of every aircraft that is operating on an air racing and/or exhibition special airworthiness certificate". I have yet to hear of any other glider owner receiving such a request so I thought I would bring it up here. Has anyone else received a similar request? -ted/2NO |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
On Jan 5, 8:55*am, Tuno wrote:
I was recently contacted by my local FSDO (Scottsdale AZ) with a request to do a ramp inspection of my glider. He explained that starting this year, he is required to do "a ramp inspection and records review of every aircraft that is operating on an air racing and/or exhibition special airworthiness certificate". I have yet to hear of any other glider owner receiving such a request so I thought I would bring it up here. Has anyone else received a similar request? -ted/2NO My glider is operating with the same certificate and Scottsdale is also my local FSDO, but no word from them yet. It sounds like they don't have enough stuff to keep them busy. Mike |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
On Jan 5, 7:55*am, Tuno wrote:
I was recently contacted by my local FSDO (Scottsdale AZ) with a request to do a ramp inspection of my glider. He explained that starting this year, he is required to do "a ramp inspection and records review of every aircraft that is operating on an air racing and/or exhibition special airworthiness certificate". I have yet to hear of any other glider owner receiving such a request so I thought I would bring it up here. Has anyone else received a similar request? -ted/2NO It's just you Ted. They put a PHX sectional chart up on a wall highlighted all the locations of glider owners in the Metro area. Blindfolded one inspector put him in the vertigo chair, spun him and then pointed him at the chart. And he picked lucky you. |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
Several years ago I (finally) got my Operating Limitations updated to
reflect the new home base. A multi-year process getting kicked back and forth between CLE and DTW FSDO. (I live in OH, Glider lives in MI). The process was quite friendly but drawn out. After a few email back and forth to tweak the Op-Limitations, we got it done...except....he really wanted to see the glider. We met one day at KADG and he did a full body cavity search of my ship. All the paperwork, all the placards, read the POH cover to cover. Fortunately I have a really good A&P-IA (thanks Matt/Y70) and that stuff was all ok. In the end I am not sure what we accomplished other than wasting over half a day of my time for the inspection and a nice spring day trip for the FAA Inspector from KCLE to KADG (140 miles each way) at taxpayer expense that could have been handled by an inspector from KDTW FSDO 40 miles away. Yup, they are overworked. |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
It not so easy to defend the FAA, but I'll bet the Inspector wanted
to get out of the office. I can certainly understand that since it can be a zoo inside. Not all FAA people are helpful and have a "Can-do" attitude but my experince has always been positive with the Atlanta office. Our friends in Europe and the UK have it much worse than we have in the States. GA On Jan 5, 3:39*pm, Todd wrote: Several years ago I (finally) got my Operating Limitations updated to reflect the new home base. *A multi-year process getting kicked back and forth between CLE and DTW FSDO. (I live in OH, Glider lives in MI). *The process was quite friendly but drawn out. *After a few email back and forth to tweak the Op-Limitations, we got it done...except....he really wanted to see the glider. *We met one day at KADG and he did a full body cavity search of my ship. *All the paperwork, all the placards, read the POH cover to cover. *Fortunately I have a really good A&P-IA (thanks Matt/Y70) and that stuff *was all ok. In the end I am not sure what we accomplished other than wasting over half a day of my time for the inspection and a nice spring day trip for the FAA Inspector from KCLE to KADG (140 miles each way) at taxpayer expense that could have been handled by an inspector from KDTW FSDO 40 miles away. Yup, they are overworked. |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
I have received a few offline replies to my OP. One was a report from
another state that there was no national directive on this, but another had a forwarded reply from the FSDO of yet another state saying that yes, indeed, they had been "... reviewing all Experimental Exhibition and or Air Racing Special Certificate of Airworthiness & Operating limitations for accuracy/completeness, as well as ensuring that annual program letters have been submitted and meet the requirements spelled out in FAA Order 8130-2F w/change 4. Now we are required to perform at least an annual Ramp inspection of each aircraft in the above referenced category." (I do not have the name of the author of the quote, so I hope that [s] he and the person who forwarded it to me don't mind my posting it here.) If there are any glider owner/operators who have been through this process already (and it would be very recently), I hope you will share your experiences with us here. I'm not anticipating trouble or surprises, but it will help all of us to be both prepared and cooperative! ~ted/2NO/ |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
On Jan 5, 3:16*pm, glider wrote:
* It not so easy to defend the FAA, but I'll bet the Inspector wanted to get out of the office. I can certainly understand that since it can be a zoo inside. *Not all FAA people are helpful and have a "Can-do" attitude but my experince has always been positive with the Atlanta office. *Our friends in Europe and the UK have it much worse than we have in the States. *GA * On Jan 5, 3:39*pm, Todd wrote: Several years ago I (finally) got my Operating Limitations updated to reflect the new home base. *A multi-year process getting kicked back and forth between CLE and DTW FSDO. (I live in OH, Glider lives in MI). *The process was quite friendly but drawn out. *After a few email back and forth to tweak the Op-Limitations, we got it done...except....he really wanted to see the glider. *We met one day at KADG and he did a full body cavity search of my ship. *All the paperwork, all the placards, read the POH cover to cover. *Fortunately I have a really good A&P-IA (thanks Matt/Y70) and that stuff *was all ok. In the end I am not sure what we accomplished other than wasting over half a day of my time for the inspection and a nice spring day trip for the FAA Inspector from KCLE to KADG (140 miles each way) at taxpayer expense that could have been handled by an inspector from KDTW FSDO 40 miles away. Yup, they are overworked. As a German Ex-Pat I certainly agree with glider. Had nothing but positive experiences with US bureaucrats, including FAA/FSDO. When I got the (experimental) airworthiness cert for my LS8 in 2001 from the Greensboro NC FSDO, they came with two inspectors to our gliderclub, admitting they had never seen a glider! After about 2-3 hours of deliberate and slow proceedings they issued the papers on the spot, no charge, no expenses, declined my offer of lunch. Nice guys, too... Herb, J7 |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
On Jan 6, 12:17*pm, Tuno wrote:
I have received a few offline replies to my OP. One was a report from another state that there was no national directive on this, but another had a forwarded reply from the FSDO of yet another state saying that yes, indeed, they had been "... reviewing all Experimental Exhibition and or Air Racing Special Certificate of Airworthiness & Operating limitations for accuracy/completeness, as well as ensuring that annual program letters have been submitted and meet the requirements spelled out in FAA Order 8130-2F w/change 4. Now we are required to perform at least an annual Ramp inspection of each aircraft in the above referenced category." (I do not have the name of the author of the quote, so I hope that [s] he and the person who forwarded it to me don't mind my posting it here.) If there are any glider owner/operators who have been through this process already (and it would be very recently), I hope you will share your experiences with us here. I'm not anticipating trouble or surprises, but it will help all of us to be both prepared and cooperative! ~ted/2NO/ Ted, Not so long ago, all homebuilts got an annual FAA inspection. Have your paper work up to snuff including Registration cert, Airworthiness cert, log book showing current Inspection, AD's etc, Flight manual, Maint manual, W&B with min/max pilot weights displayed, O2 bottle current, chute re-pack current, EXPERIMENTAL sign properly displayed in cockpit, ASI properly marked, N number properly displayed, etc. E-mail me for the check list I use |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
Our older Experimental Gliders do not require annual Program Letters.
Previous discussion on RAS "Tuno" wrote in message ... I have received a few offline replies to my OP. One was a report from another state that there was no national directive on this, but another had a forwarded reply from the FSDO of yet another state saying that yes, indeed, they had been "... reviewing all Experimental Exhibition and or Air Racing Special Certificate of Airworthiness & Operating limitations for accuracy/completeness, as well as ensuring that annual program letters have been submitted and meet the requirements spelled out in FAA Order 8130-2F w/change 4. Now we are required to perform at least an annual Ramp inspection of each aircraft in the above referenced category." (I do not have the name of the author of the quote, so I hope that [s] he and the person who forwarded it to me don't mind my posting it here.) If there are any glider owner/operators who have been through this process already (and it would be very recently), I hope you will share your experiences with us here. I'm not anticipating trouble or surprises, but it will help all of us to be both prepared and cooperative! ~ted/2NO/ |
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(USA) FSDO inspections of Experimental gliders
Guess what guys...I got the same thing from the Reno FSDO.
However, they directed me to FAX their office several documents instead of a physical ramp check. At least as of tonight. Guy Acheson "DDS" |
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