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Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't given us enuff info to go on). The first responder replied with the id of 'Broussard', which is exactly correct. Thanks for being so helpful anyway, Mike. However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job, Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman was actually Cliff Roberston. I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting. In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day (by gawd!) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to EARN it by mowing lawns or something. No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record of free flights for youngsters. snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an "All About Mike" post So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault you couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else flies. Does that sum it up? We've all seen 'em before..the usual assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's, T-28's etc. [yawn] In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything else pales. I get it. We all get it. along with the boring, underpowered, hot and cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans [even bigger YAWN] Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll have a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's exciting experience. What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth experience for me to read your posts after all. Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members [ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or something even for asking! My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one looked at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird half a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to crack on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own. (Trikes RULE) Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh. Gordon |
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"Steve Hix" wrote in message ... In article , nt (Gordon) wrote: Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US) Cite? Have you visited the AOPA website lately? Having operated both over about 20 years, I don't beleive it for a moment. Then you would be wrong. |
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Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it again. And again. ... :} LOL Steve, I think he actually got it out of his system - at least for now! Of course, my daughter is another story. We stood under the Atlas ICBM standing in front of the air museum hosting the EAA yesterday. She looked the giant rocket over carefully, then asked, "...Can I ride it...?" =:x G |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it again. And again. ... :} LOL Steve, I think he actually got it out of his system - at least for now! Of course, my daughter is another story. We stood under the Atlas ICBM standing in front of the air museum hosting the EAA yesterday. She looked the giant rocket over carefully, then asked, "...Can I ride it...?" Perhaps. |
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Mike Marron
wrote: I suppose Poberenzy has to come up with some way to pay for all his expensive toys (P-51's etc.) and the thousands of gallons of fuel it takes to make 'em work. ask Poberenzy or some EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members [ya right] This item of the P-51 seems to stick in a lot of folks craw. Just to shed a little light on it (facts are facts, how you skew 'em.......well), he personally bought it when they were selling for under $100,000. He seldom flies it.........SELDOM! When it does fly, some big wig member is footing the bill for fuel out of their OWN pocket. (These are facts based on personal experience with the EAA). This bird is costing EAA members far,far less than a new Cirrus would cost to operate. VL |
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(Gordon) wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't given us enuff info to go on). The first responder replied with the id of 'Broussard', which is exactly correct. Thanks for being so helpful anyway, Mike. No prob. Always glad to help. However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job, Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman was actually Cliff Roberston. I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting. No argument here and appears you're itching for a fight for whatever reason. I just stating a simple fact that Yeager didn't initiate the Young Eagle's program. In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day (by gawd!) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to EARN it by mowing lawns or something. No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record of free flights for youngsters. That's very wonderful Gord but you missed my point entirely (goes back to what I said above regarding you simply trying to start a flamewar). snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an "All About Mike" post Suspicions confirmed (Ol' Gord's ready to rrrrrrrrRRRUMBLE!) So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault you couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else flies. Does that sum it up? More of the same fighting words. First, I saw only one question asking about the type of weird French-looking plane that, according to you, couldn't get out of its own way and crashed. I looked, but damn if I could find a second question. What was it again? With regards to my so-called "issues" with EAA and my trike, well, thems YOUR words not mine. We've all seen 'em before..the usual assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's, T-28's etc. [yawn] In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything else pales. I get it. We all get it. Is that a royal "we" or do you have a mouse in your pocket? along with the boring, underpowered, hot and cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans [even bigger YAWN] Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll have a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's exciting experience. Huh? I remember my first exciting experience in a 172 spamcan around the age of 10 or 11 years. We (the CFI, me in the right seat, my Dad in the back seat) took off out of Stapleton Int'l and went up for an all-too-brief sightseeing trip around the foothills of the Rockies. I was literally bouncing up and down in my seat barely able to contain myself -- 'till I looked behind and saw my ol' man calmly sitting there all sprawled out in the backseat looking like he was bored stiff (which is undoubtedly was, being the old fighter pilot he was). To this day, I think he went along just to be amused by my antics, but either way, the only "disparaging" or "diminishing" fighting words I can see from where I'm sitting are coming from YOU. What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth experience for me to read your posts after all. More fightin' words. Somebody **** in your Wheaties this morning? Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members [ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or something even for asking! My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one looked at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird half a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to crack on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own. I did not, but you obviously have chosen to respond in a provocative manner. (Trikes RULE) Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh. There ya' go again with the "WE" crap. And I don't believe that you got the message at all. The message is; for a tiny fraction of the cost one can fly a trike or fixed-wing light sport aircraft and have just as much FUN as you have in your Glasair or Poberezny has in his P-51 or Joe GA has in his Cessna spamcan. And "WE" don't need EAA or any other organization to introduce newbies at any age to aviation. Nobody will argue that the "Young Eagles" program is a noble program, but not at the expense at missing the organization's charter (my not-so-humble opinion and many others too). Trikes and fixed-wing light sport aircraft pilots, not EAA or any EAA "program" are rejuvunating General Aviation. Don't look now, but the growth of trikes and light sport aircraft over the past decade has been phenomenal, no thanks to EAA who originally shunned the light sport crowd in favor of planes costing $100,000 or more. Your turn...you go get 'um Gord! Grrr... |
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(MLenoch) wrote:
This item of the P-51 seems to stick in a lot of folks craw. Just to shed a little light on it (facts are facts, how you skew 'em.......well), he personally bought it when they were selling for under $100,000. He seldom flies it.........SELDOM! When it does fly, some big wig member is footing the bill for fuel out of their OWN pocket. (These are facts based on personal experience with the EAA). This bird is costing EAA members far,far less than a new Cirrus would cost to operate. VL Far be it for me to begrudge anyone enjoying their expensive toys. More power to 'em...I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended). |
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Steve Hix wrote:
You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not). Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it again. And again. ... :} I'll say he did good, all right. It takes me back to my first flight in a Cessna (150, I think; I wasn't old enough to discriminate) at the Maxville Highland Games in 1964. It cost my mother $20 or so for the two of us (a lot out of her budget) for a 15 minute flight and I really think I was an excuse so my mother could justify going up herself. I was enraptured. When the pilot turned on final after about only eight minutes, my mother pointed this out to him, so we did a touch-and-go and another little jaunt. Certainly the high point of my life up to that point. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message ... (MLenoch) wrote: This item of the P-51 seems to stick in a lot of folks craw. Just to shed a little light on it (facts are facts, how you skew 'em.......well), he personally bought it when they were selling for under $100,000. He seldom flies it.........SELDOM! When it does fly, some big wig member is footing the bill for fuel out of their OWN pocket. (These are facts based on personal experience with the EAA). This bird is costing EAA members far,far less than a new Cirrus would cost to operate. VL Far be it for me to begrudge anyone enjoying their expensive toys. More power to 'em...I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended). Privatization is the future. |
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