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HpH 304CZ as first sailplane
I agree that the Grob is the least "304-like" of the aircraft I
mentioned, but it will accelerate quickly enough to make the important points about spiral dives, redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers out, and will float well enough to emphasize the issues of speed control on landing. I agree that a Duo, K-21 or DG-1000 would be better for the purpose, but these are less available in the local rental/instructional fleets. Ray Warshaw |
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I don't understand "redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers
out". The 303 has terminal speed limiting brakes, doesn't the 304? My 303 doesn't quite make it to manuevering speed with the brakes out and the nose pointed at the ground. The POH mentions a 2G deceleration if you pull it all out at redline. Have no intentions of trying that one on my 29 year old lady. wrote in message oups.com... I agree that the Grob is the least "304-like" of the aircraft I mentioned, but it will accelerate quickly enough to make the important points about spiral dives, redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers out, and will float well enough to emphasize the issues of speed control on landing. I agree that a Duo, K-21 or DG-1000 would be better for the purpose, but these are less available in the local rental/instructional fleets. Ray Warshaw |
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HpH 304CZ as first sailplane
I wasn't aware that the brakes on the 304 would limit speed to below redline
in a vertical dive. If true, the ship goes way up in my estimate of suitability for a new-to-glass pilot. The manual on my LAK-17 says that the brakes can be fully extended at redline but to "expect high aerodynamic forces". I haven't tried it either. Ray Warshaw 1LK "303SAM" wrote in message ... I don't understand "redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers out". The 303 has terminal speed limiting brakes, doesn't the 304? My 303 doesn't quite make it to manuevering speed with the brakes out and the nose pointed at the ground. The POH mentions a 2G deceleration if you pull it all out at redline. Have no intentions of trying that one on my 29 year old lady. wrote in message oups.com... I agree that the Grob is the least "304-like" of the aircraft I mentioned, but it will accelerate quickly enough to make the important points about spiral dives, redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers out, and will float well enough to emphasize the issues of speed control on landing. I agree that a Duo, K-21 or DG-1000 would be better for the purpose, but these are less available in the local rental/instructional fleets. Ray Warshaw |
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HpH 304CZ as first sailplane
Yes, this is one of the cool things about older ships--I understand it used
to be a requirement of the class. Again, I don't know about the 304, only the 303. "Raphael Warshaw" wrote in message ... I wasn't aware that the brakes on the 304 would limit speed to below redline in a vertical dive. If true, the ship goes way up in my estimate of suitability for a new-to-glass pilot. The manual on my LAK-17 says that the brakes can be fully extended at redline but to "expect high aerodynamic forces". I haven't tried it either. Ray Warshaw 1LK "303SAM" wrote in message ... I don't understand "redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers out". The 303 has terminal speed limiting brakes, doesn't the 304? My 303 doesn't quite make it to manuevering speed with the brakes out and the nose pointed at the ground. The POH mentions a 2G deceleration if you pull it all out at redline. Have no intentions of trying that one on my 29 year old lady. wrote in message oups.com... I agree that the Grob is the least "304-like" of the aircraft I mentioned, but it will accelerate quickly enough to make the important points about spiral dives, redlline speed and recovery, even with the spoilers out, and will float well enough to emphasize the issues of speed control on landing. I agree that a Duo, K-21 or DG-1000 would be better for the purpose, but these are less available in the local rental/instructional fleets. Ray Warshaw |
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HpH 304CZ as first sailplane
303SAM wrote:
Yes, this is one of the cool things about older ships--I understand it used to be a requirement of the class. Again, I don't know about the 304, only the 303. It was my understanding that it was a requirement that the airbrakes limit speed to less than Vne even at extreme dive angles. However, I wouldn't count on that. I seem to remember reading something from Schweitzer claiming that although their gliders were compliant with that, many of their competitor's weren't. They also went on to say they thought the requirement was unreasonable and that they felt their competitor's performed fine within a reasonable pitch angle (45 degrees?) Point is, don't try this at home... dan |
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HpH 304CZ as first sailplane
Nope, the 304 airbrakes are not terminal velocity limiting. If you've
flown one, you'd think so, but the HpH team says no. The manual says to expect a 2g decelleration if you pop those bad boys at high speed. It is correct. Make sure your stuff is stashed or it ends up by the rudder pedals. Ok, it was a sandwich... Bill |
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