Best damn or luciest pilot

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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The special about it on History channel (about 2 years ago) said that
at first Boeing didn't believe it really happened until they sent their
engineers out. They explaination is that the body itself generates so
much lift it could still fly. If you think about the amount of G's
those planes can pull and the amount of load (bombs , etc) they can
carry they must have an enormous amount of excess lift.

One such Navy/Marine Corps airplane was the AD-1 Skyraider which, if memory
serves me, weighed less than the 3 tons of ordnance you could hang under its
wings.
Somewhere in the Naval Aviation archives resides a set of photos of an
AD-1 Skyraider on base and short final to the USS Bon Homme Richard ("Bonnie
Dick") with one wing folded over the cockpit. Contrary to engineering specs,
both locking pins inthe left wing sheared when the pilot pulled the airplane
off the deck during takeoff.
The airplane was THE airplane of VMA-212 for the 1st Provisional Marine
Air/Ground Task Force (later the 1st Marine Brigade) in early 1955.
Oh yeah, the plane caught the #3 wire and landed without any further
damage. Gung Ho!

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Friend of mine, a General in the SAAF, sent this along to us a while back.
Amazing really.
I think they tossed it around a bit down at Navy TPS at Pax and I believe
someone finally came up with a computer model that worked for the scenario.
The fuselage around the intake area apparently created a great deal of lift
as the airplane went to a natural yaw angle with the one wing gone. Don't
remember exactly what the cross over airspeed was to get that yaw angle, but
I'm guessing it was extremely high.
I think he brought it in at over 250kts. Of course he was a bit light on
fuel :-)) Anyway, if I recall correctly, the MD engineers were mightily
impressed with their hardware :-))
Interesting incident. I seem to remember an F4 driver going off the Midway
with the wings folded as well. I think he made it as well but I don't
remember the details of the story.
Dudley

When I was a student at Spartan back in the 70's, one of my
class mates had been on a carrier off the VN coast. They
had a problem with a cat shot of an F8. The catapult did
not fire when the button was pushed. They had the pilot go
to idle and fold the wings. Then the catapult fired. With
the wings folded above the cockpit the pilot couldn't eject,
but the plane flew. They cleared the deck and the F8 landed
safely. I'm sure that the movie footage would be
interesting.



"Casey" wrote in message
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| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| The special about it on History channel (about 2 years
ago) said that
| at first Boeing didn't believe it really happened until
they sent their
| engineers out. They explaination is that the body itself
generates so
| much lift it could still fly. If you think about the
amount of G's
| those planes can pull and the amount of load (bombs ,
etc) they can
| carry they must have an enormous amount of excess lift.
|
| One such Navy/Marine Corps airplane was the AD-1 Skyraider
which, if memory
| serves me, weighed less than the 3 tons of ordnance you
could hang under its
| wings.
| Somewhere in the Naval Aviation archives resides a set
of photos of an
| AD-1 Skyraider on base and short final to the USS Bon
Homme Richard ("Bonnie
| Dick") with one wing folded over the cockpit. Contrary to
engineering specs,
| both locking pins inthe left wing sheared when the pilot
pulled the airplane
| off the deck during takeoff.
| The airplane was THE airplane of VMA-212 for the 1st
Provisional Marine
| Air/Ground Task Force (later the 1st Marine Brigade) in
early 1955.
| Oh yeah, the plane caught the #3 wire and landed
without any further
| damage. Gung Ho!
|
|

Bumblebees can't fly either. I'm most amazed, not that it
could fly, but that the pilot recovered control.


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/110099.html
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|
| Friend of mine, a General in the SAAF, sent this along to
us a while back.
| Amazing really.
| I think they tossed it around a bit down at Navy TPS at
Pax and I believe
| someone finally came up with a computer model that worked
for the scenario.
| The fuselage around the intake area apparently created a
great deal of lift
| as the airplane went to a natural yaw angle with the one
wing gone. Don't
| remember exactly what the cross over airspeed was to get
that yaw angle, but
| I'm guessing it was extremely high.
| I think he brought it in at over 250kts. Of course he was
a bit light on
| fuel :-)) Anyway, if I recall correctly, the MD engineers
were mightily
| impressed with their hardware :-))
| Interesting incident. I seem to remember an F4 driver
going off the Midway
| with the wings folded as well. I think he made it as well
but I don't
| remember the details of the story.
| Dudley
|
|

Wasn't there also once a case of an A-10 that suffered a midair
collision somewhere over Lousianna, and returned safely to the base
with only one engine left running, and most of one wing missing, and
one vertical stabilizer/rudder gone? And everbody has heard of the
story of the female pilot of an A-10 over Iraq who took a missle hit
and flew her crippled plane for an hour to safely land it back at base.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
The special about it on History channel (about 2 years ago) said that
at first Boeing didn't believe it really happened until they sent their
engineers out. They explaination is that the body itself generates so
much lift it could still fly. If you think about the amount of G's
those planes can pull and the amount of load (bombs , etc) they can
carry they must have an enormous amount of excess lift.


Its not about excess of lift, but of the fact that lift was generated on
one side only... it's not like having only one engine working...

--
Leonard

Jim Macklin wrote:
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Besides being both very good and lucky pilot he risked his life to save
machine that will be written off anyway. But I suppose he wasn't aware
of that at the time...

--
Leonard

Sorry everyone, I forgot this is a non-binaries group. Shoulda thunk first.

My apologies.

Mike

"Michael Nouak" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Not saying that your story didn't happen as told, but the wings of an F8
don't fold above the cockpit...

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Michael Nouak
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"Jim Macklin" schrieb im
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When I was a student at Spartan back in the 70's, one of my
class mates had been on a carrier off the VN coast. They
had a problem with a cat shot of an F8. The catapult did
not fire when the button was pushed. They had the pilot go
to idle and fold the wings. Then the catapult fired. With
the wings folded above the cockpit the pilot couldn't eject,
but the plane flew. They cleared the deck and the F8 landed
safely. I'm sure that the movie footage would be
interesting.



"Casey" wrote in message
news:tcJOg.105$uj3.42@trnddc08...
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| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| The special about it on History channel (about 2 years
ago) said that
| at first Boeing didn't believe it really happened until
they sent their
| engineers out. They explaination is that the body itself
generates so
| much lift it could still fly. If you think about the
amount of G's
| those planes can pull and the amount of load (bombs ,
etc) they can
| carry they must have an enormous amount of excess lift.
|
| One such Navy/Marine Corps airplane was the AD-1 Skyraider
which, if memory
| serves me, weighed less than the 3 tons of ordnance you
could hang under its
| wings.
| Somewhere in the Naval Aviation archives resides a set
of photos of an
| AD-1 Skyraider on base and short final to the USS Bon
Homme Richard ("Bonnie
| Dick") with one wing folded over the cockpit. Contrary to
engineering specs,
| both locking pins inthe left wing sheared when the pilot
pulled the airplane
| off the deck during takeoff.
| The airplane was THE airplane of VMA-212 for the 1st
Provisional Marine
| Air/Ground Task Force (later the 1st Marine Brigade) in
early 1955.
| Oh yeah, the plane caught the #3 wire and landed
without any further
| damage. Gung Ho!
|
|

Actually the report says it was repaired.


"Leonard Milcin Jr." wrote
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| Jim Macklin wrote:
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http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/110099.html
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| Besides being both very good and lucky pilot he risked his
life to save
| machine that will be written off anyway. But I suppose he
wasn't aware
| of that at the time...
|
| --
| Leonard

Leonard Milcin Jr. wrote:

Jim Macklin wrote:

http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/110099.html




Besides being both very good and lucky pilot he risked his life to save
machine that will be written off anyway. But I suppose he wasn't aware
of that at the time...


I suspect he was fully aware of what he was doing. Keep in mind that an
ejection isn't exactly friendly to the human body either. It is a
matter of judgement and if I was in a damaged airplane that was still
flying and reasonably controllable, I'd try to fly it down rather than
punch out and risk injury from that.


Matt