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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:



 
 
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Old July 2nd 06, 08:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

On 1 Jul 2006 11:40:09 -0700
"Jordan" wrote:

snip wank and flame fest material

This is off topic for soc.history.what-if as this is present/future not
past related.


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Old July 2nd 06, 08:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:


dontcowerfromthetruth wrote:
Keep in mind (when reading the following) that Syria has supposedly
made some sort of defense pact with Iran. So is attacking Damascus the
way the Zionists will expand the war for Israel to Syria and Iran next
(in accordance with the 'A Clean Break' agenda that esteemed
intelligence writer/author James Bamford discusses on pages 261-269/321
of his 'A Pretext for War' book - see the URL about such included after
the following) as Bush and Cheney have already said that the US would
come to Israel's aid if Israel is attacked which will most likely
happen if Israel gets into it with Syria and Iran:

Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=34399


Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus
By Hakan Isayev, Cihan News Agency, Cairo
Published: Friday, June 30, 2006
zaman.com


Israel holds Khaled Mashal, the leader of Hamas' Syrian branch,
responsible for the abduction of two Israeli soldiers and wants Syria
to expel Palestinian leaders from the country.
Israel threatened to kill Hamas militants based in Damascus.
Al-Jazeera television said Public Security Minister Avi Dichter claimed
they knew the locations of HAMAS and Islamic Jihad leaders in Syria and
will not hesitate to kill them.
Justice Minister Chaim Ramon said, "The leader of Al Qaeda, Meshal is
a terrorist of the worst kind, and the international community must
exert pressure on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to expel Meshal from
Syria."
Ramon claimed Meshaal gave the order for abduction and is now a target
for assassination.
Syrian security forces said they tightened the security measures to
protect the HAMAS leader.
Israeli army said yesterday they carried out a low-altitude flight over
the palace of Syrian President Bashar Assad in Latakia, in northwestern
Syria.

Syrian sources reported that they fired at two Israeli planes flying
over Syrian air space.
Related News:
Israel Arrests Palestine Parliamentarians
Israel Detains 90 Palestinian Politicians




Israeli warplanes buzz Syrian president:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ier/index.html



Next step of 'A Clean Break' (attacking Syria and then Iran via
Lebanon) - read what Bamford wrote on pages 261-269 of his 'A Pretext
for War' book by scrolling down to such at the following URL:



'A Clean Break' (scroll down to pages 261-269 of from James Bamford's '
A Pretext for War' book at the following URL):



http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0...ic.php?t=28769

Mearsheimer/Walt on NPR discussing pro-Israel lobby

http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/06/06/21.php#11074


Dennis Ross (who is associated with AIPAC) was also interviewed in the
above NPR program with John Mearsheimer as Ross was also nailed for
being an AIPAC hack for Israel via the following URLs:

http://www.IRmep.org/jm.wmv

The Gorilla in the Room is US Support for Israel

http://representativepress.blogspot....pport-for.html



Professor Spiegel (who was on the NPR program with Mearsheimer
referenced above) of UCLA had his class appear before the Syrian
Ambassador to the USA as conveyed via the following URL (the Syrian
Ambassador responded to the question/comment about the 'A Clean
Break'/war for Israel agenda):

Syrian Ambassador Calls for Comprehensive Peace Settlement in the
Middle East

http://www.international.ucla.edu/ar...parentid=25567

Additional at following URL:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=36041


Listen to Ali Abunimah via the following 'Democracy Now' segment:



http://www.democracynow.org/article..../06/28/1421222



US Support for Israel PRIMARY MOTIVATION for tragic World Trade Center
attacks in 1993 and on 9/11 as well:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590



http://nomorewarforisrael.blogspot.com



Normally I would avoid a thread like this- but this is too much.

Israel has a nuclear weapons. No nuclear armed state can be destroyed.
They have nukes. In a war with Syria- if the Syrians send ground troops
into Israel, and they aren't immediately destroyed, and if (and this is
a big if) they managed to threaten Israel exsistence, Israel can turn
Damascus into a parking lot. No matter what the street wants, Syria,
Iran, Egypt, or any coalition of Arab powers are ever going to fight
Israel. It would ammount to sucide.

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Old July 2nd 06, 08:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Lyn David Thomas wrote:
On 1 Jul 2006 11:40:09 -0700
"Jordan" wrote:

snip wank and flame fest material

This is off topic for soc.history.what-if as this is present/future not
past related.


Jordan is s.h.w-i. If the regulars do not ignore why should anyone else?

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Old July 2nd 06, 08:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Big Red wrote:

Normally I would avoid a thread like this- but this is too much.


Israel has a nuclear weapons. No nuclear armed state can be destroyed.
They have nukes. In a war with Syria- if the Syrians send ground troops
into Israel, and they aren't immediately destroyed, and if (and this is
a big if) they managed to threaten Israel exsistence, Israel can turn
Damascus into a parking lot. No matter what the street wants, Syria,
Iran, Egypt, or any coalition of Arab powers are ever going to fight
Israel. It would ammount to sucide.


Which is wise but regulars insisted on making this thread happened is s.h.w-i.

Israelis are so professionally (but not really) paranoid that it proclaims a
child throwing a stone at a tank a threat to its existence and then murders the
child for it with a sniper a few days later. Not because he did it but because
the picture of throwing the stone was caught on camera. Palestinians are not
permitted to have role models.

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Old July 2nd 06, 03:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Israelis are so professionally (but not really) paranoid that it
proclaims a child throwing a stone at a tank a threat to its existence
and then murders the child for it with a sniper a few days later. Not
because he did it but because the picture of throwing the stone was
caught on camera. Palestinians are not permitted to have role models.


Yes they are. Corpses dead six months.

If the Isrealis don't kill a Palestinean then a thug from a rival gang
will. Actually more Palestineans are killed by other Palestineans than
by Israelis. As the late Abba Eban once said: Palestineans never miss an
opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Bob Kolker
  #26  
Old July 2nd 06, 04:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Andrew Venor wrote:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Jordan wrote:

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.

True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.
The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys



Don't you think it would help its international position for
Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands
on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from Moshe
Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the 1967
war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.



Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding
the 1967 war?



Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living
on stolen Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a
right to shell its own territory

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a down
range missile test range.

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could
certainly have been put to international arbitration.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the
real and only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is
what he said. It has been confirmed by his daughter.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The
propaganda has been discredited. There is no point in trying to
resurrect it today.


Ignoring inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery
raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians just because it
doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to
know about what kind of person you are.

To quote the late American Ambassador and Senator Daniel Patrick
Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not
entitled to their own facts."

I don't know how you got out of my kill file, but your going right back in.

ALV

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Old July 2nd 06, 05:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.


What would your do with the four million
people living there?
Mass expulsion? To where?
Keep them as a permanent underclass?
Give them the franchise?
Do you have final solution in mind?

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Old July 2nd 06, 06:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Jordan wrote:
wrote:
"Jordan" wrote in message
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No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.


What would your do with the four million
people living there?
Mass expulsion? To where?


Shove them over the borders to the Arab states who so love them that
they are willing to use them as a permanent causis belli against
Israel. I'm sure that they would be well-treated by their Arab
brethren.

And if not, at least they wouldn't be Israel's concern any more. There
would be an international outcry, sanctions would be demanded, nothing
would happen, and in a few years they'd be as forgotten as the few
million Germans pushed out of the territories Poland annexed in 1945 --
in the middle of war and a terrible winter.


Change the date and ethnic group for a fun experience. Pre-World War 2
Germany did try to expel Jews.

This is also how Germany should have dealt with the issues of the Jews


Shove them over the borders to the Western states who so love them that
they are willing to use them as a permanent causis belli against
Germany. I'm sure that they would be well-treated by their Western
brethren.


And if not, at least they wouldn't be Germany's concern any more. There
would be an international outcry, sanctions would be demanded, nothing
would happen


If you had any real influence you would be disturbing.

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Old July 2nd 06, 08:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Jordan wrote:

If the Israelis had done this after 1967-72, there would have been _no_
"Palestinian issue," and by now there would be very little
international concern about the descendants of said "Palestinians," who
would have long since integrated into whatever countries they wound up
living in.


In whatever country Palestineans dwell they are a pox and a nuisance.
Recall what happened in Lebanon. They were also a pain in the arse in
Kuwait where some of them worked. They were not particularly loved by
their Muslim "brothers".

Bob Kolker
 




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