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Questions pondered at 6500 feet
Jay Honeck wrote:
1. Airports were originally huge grass fields that allowed arrivals and departures in any direction, on any heading. Are there any airports left that provide 360 degrees of access? I picked up a friend at Grosse Ile (ONZ) the other day. It's at the southern end of an island (obviously?) where the Detroit River empties into Lake Erie. Oh, here's a link: http://www.grosseileairport.com/ That big circle in the middle is a PAVED 3000ft circular landing area. It's also obvious that this airport was also a seaplane port. No, it's no longer usable, but it's a cool bit of local history that you can look at when you're in the pattern. |
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Hash: SHA1 Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote in message newslEyf.701287$x96.296658@attbi_s72... So this choice is entirely up to the controller? Probably not. Understand that there are many airports where it generally isn't necessary for the controller to establish an arrival sequence. The need to do that implies a fair amount of traffic. Seems like a giant pain for the flight crew, to have to keep all the various approach plates, etc., at hand. (I'm assuming the commuter airlines we usually hear don't have the sophisticated flight controllers on-board, with all the pre-loaded approaches ready to be punched in at a moment's notice?) Where's the pain? The approach in use will be on the ATIS, crews generally have that information before they ever talk to approach control. And it is a crew, it ain't one guy thumbing through a Jepp binder while trying to hand-fly the airplane. While I agree, I also disagree. Take LAS for instance. very few times out of the year is the ceiling and visibility warranting of an ILS approach. Most of the time they're under CAVU. ATIS almost always shows that visual approaches are in use. However, as most commercial arrivals are on 25L, that tends to be a problem in the evenings when the sun blinds the pilot and they either can't see the field, or can't see the traffic in front of them. So from there, controllers give the ILS approach. Granted it's situational, and doesn't help or hinder sequencing, but there you have it. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDy1AhyBkZmuMZ8L8RAkSHAJ4rRpfHomXiD6R0E4TiYJ zU7aUKOACfUXwQ krc1zUGBMk6SQZmsxZzKEmM= =x6Gr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:03:05 -0600, Rachel wrote:
There are a few in southern Indiana, I think. I couldn't remember the names to save my life, but I remember flying over one. Do they have a windsock in the center? -- all the best, Dan Ford email: usenet AT danford DOT net Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com |
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Questions pondered at 6500 feet
Jay Honeck wrote:
Since we haven't heard the airliner SAY they wanted an instrument approach, how/why does the controller know to clear them for anything other than the visual approach? Use of an instrument approach simplifies establishing an arrival sequence. So this choice is entirely up to the controller? Seems like a giant pain for the flight crew, to have to keep all the various approach plates, etc., at hand. (I'm assuming the commuter airlines we usually hear don't have the sophisticated flight controllers on-board, with all the pre-loaded approaches ready to be punched in at a moment's notice?) You can request a visual approach, or a contact approach or a different published approach if you wish. Matt |
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Jay:
Have you been to the restaurants at Madison or Lone Rock? The food is arguably better than Janesville. (Still a lot of greasy fried stuff) JN |
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Jay
It sounds to me that the pilot has filedIFR to the destination airport, and somewhere enroute has asked for or accepted the instrument approach when the alternative was offer up by ATC. Bill Snow ps; We missed IOW on the way to DEN. We'll have to catch you next time. |
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"Viperdoc" wrote in message ... Jay: Have you been to the restaurants at Madison or Lone Rock? The food is arguably better than Janesville. (Still a lot of greasy fried stuff) JN Also Watertown, Reedsburg, Palmyria, Prairie du Chien, Lake Lawn, Grand Geneva, American club at Sheboygan, Baraboo and several others. |
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Questions pondered at 6500 feet
Jay Honeck wrote:
1. Airports were originally huge grass fields that allowed arrivals and departures in any direction, on any heading. Are there any airports left that provide 360 degrees of access? I believe Lakehurst, NJ still has the circular field where the Hindenburg disaster happened. I used to see it out the right side of scheduled airliners on the way from DCA to BOS just before going over NYC. The question I have about this installation is what are the converging sets of lines around it. IIRC there are 3 sets of 4 lines pointing into the center of the circle. |
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That big circle in the middle is a PAVED 3000ft circular landing area.
It's also obvious that this airport was also a seaplane port. Wow -- they PAVED all that? That's amazing. I'd never heard of such a thing -- thanks, Brien! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Have you been to the restaurants at Madison or Lone Rock? The food is
arguably better than Janesville. (Still a lot of greasy fried stuff) Sure! We go to Lone Rock at least once a month. I haven't been to Madison in over ten years. The restaurant was pretty lame when I was there, last -- I take it they've improved? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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