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Jim Baker extrapolated from data available...
"Olivers" wrote in message ... G.R. Patterson III extrapolated from data available... Olivers wrote: One, two.......and at what number do you want the world to stop serving peanuts? Do you want the airlines to be barred from serving an inexpensive and at least filling snack beloved by many? Just how did we get from warning labels on products containing peanuts to a worldwide ban on them? A number of groups (the allergic and "assorted nutters") have called for banning peanuts on US airline flights, and several airlines have apparently decided to go along rather than risk confrontation and bad mouthing (or law suits) TMO You are so full of clever crap Olivers you stink. As you might guess, my wife's former roommate did extensive research into the problem when she found out that her child was sick all the time because of the mere presence of peanuts in the air he breathes. Now, do you suspect that there is a minority of 5 maybe 10 people causing the airlines to rethink the fare they serve to their passengers, or do you think it's a bigger problem than your infinitiesimaly small brain can comprehend? Do you think that being contained in a metal tube that isn't recycling the air effectively that the passengers are breathing could be a problem for someone with an allergy? Finally, what the hell is wrong with you that you wouldn't give up your penny ante bag of peanuts when you know it is painful for others? Are you that full of **** that you don't care? Or are you just too dense to understand the situation? I know the afflicted could just stay home, but what harm is it to you not to get a bag of..."beloved".. peanuts to chew on while you're flying as a passenger compared to the tens of thousands of people who suffer from peanut allergies? You love your peanuts? What a jerk. The kid DIED from the allergy. He was beloved too, and he wasn't a peanut. The children allergic to peanuts are far, far, more likely to suffer a reaction in a hundred more common venues of exposure. Any supermarket or baseball stadium would put an allergic child at greater risk. Yes, you silly twit, the afflicted have to stay home (or some location similarly peanut free), because as with literally dozens of other food stuffs (including literally dozens of fast food outlets using peanut oils for frying), society is simply not going to ban peanut use or cultivation. People die from allergic reactions every day. Can we or should we try to eliminate every food stuff which might cause such a reaction? Do we take peanut butter out of supermarkets because a child allergic to peanuts might go into shock if someone opens a jar. I suffer from several allewrgies, fortunately only one of them to an extent that the reaction could be fatal. But neither I, not you, nor any sufferer (or 10,000 sufferers or a million sufferer) are enough to remove |
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Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
I was hospitalized three times, suffering from near-drowning in my own saliva, before I put two and two together and realized that it was And you are 1 data point out of 100,000,000 or so, and you haven't really documented beyond doubt that it was the aspartame. This is hardly a reason to ban such a benign substance from airline cockpits. After all, if aspartame were such a danger, automobile crash rates would reflect this problem, and I'm willing to bet there is **NOT*** a single case supporting this. |
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Olivers wrote:
People die from allergic reactions every day. Can we or should we try to eliminate every food stuff which might cause such a reaction? Do we take peanut butter out of supermarkets because a child allergic to peanuts might go into shock if someone opens a jar. I suffer from several allewrgies, fortunately only one of them to an extent that the reaction could be fatal. But neither I, not you, nor any sufferer (or 10,000 sufferers or a million sufferer) are enough to remove. My worst immune (though not allergic) response is to wheat, rye, barley, and oats. Though not fatal in the short-term, it easily could be in the long-term (ingestion destroys my villi and increases risk for cancer). The only time I object to such ingredients on a plane is when I order -- and they deliver -- a so-called gluten-free meal that isn't. -- _Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://deirdre.org/blog/ "Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!" |
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r5 wrote:
Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote: I was hospitalized three times, suffering from near-drowning in my own saliva, before I put two and two together and realized that it was And you are 1 data point out of 100,000,000 or so, and you haven't really documented beyond doubt that it was the aspartame. This is hardly a reason to ban such a benign substance from airline cockpits. After all, if aspartame were such a danger, automobile crash rates would reflect this problem, and I'm willing to bet there is **NOT*** a single case supporting this. I never said it should be banned from cockpits. I simply said there were people, including myself, who had severely negative reations but didn't have the phenylalanine problem. -- _Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://deirdre.org/blog/ "Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!" |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:33:01 GMT, r5
wrote: Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote: I was hospitalized three times, suffering from near-drowning in my own saliva, before I put two and two together and realized that it was And you are 1 data point out of 100,000,000 or so, and you haven't really documented beyond doubt that it was the aspartame. This is hardly a reason to ban such a benign Ask most any GP and they'll tell you there are quite a few people who react to aspartame, but OTOH I don't think it's a very large percent. substance from airline cockpits. After all, if aspartame were such a danger, automobile crash rates would reflect this problem, Not unless they were looking for it. It's normally one of those things they'd never see unless they were looking for it specifically. Driver got sick, lost control. Only if a regular pattern turned up would they look for it. It's a given that some percentage of accidents are ... well... not accidents, but they are the most difficult of all to prove. and I'm willing to bet there is **NOT*** a single case supporting this. Add one more, although most who are affected by it become readily aware of it so I see no need to ban it as long as any thing containing it is labeled. All foods and beverages containing it are so required. The only thing I really have to worry about are prepared deserts. If they don't know, I don't eat it. If it has a label that doesn't list sugar I don't eat it, but I recently purchased one of those pies that are prepared, but not baked. Sugar was on the label. My wife baked it, I ate it and two hours later... At any rate I dug the labeled out of the trash and although it listed sugar in the ingredients, it also listed aspartame down near the bottom. Now I read the whole label. Peanuts I can eat. Soybean products do not bother me, but if I drank or ate something containing Aspartame on a flight, it would get diverted unless we were close to the destination although it affects me differently and I do get a warning. When I'm doing the flying I make certain I do not eat or drink anything containing the stuff at least two hours prior to flying and during the flight. Of course I avoid the stuff like the plague anyway, but I believe the figure is something like 1 out of 100,000 has some kind of reaction to it. There are those on here who should know the correct figure. That is not to say all have the same symptoms, or severity. Like any allergy or drug reaction, different people seem to react differently. For me it's like a very bad case of flu. Painful, but without the nausea. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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In article , Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
I suffer from several allewrgies, fortunately only one of them to an extent that the reaction could be fatal. But neither I, not you, nor any sufferer (or 10,000 sufferers or a million sufferer) are enough to remove. My worst immune (though not allergic) response is to wheat, rye, barley, and oats. Though not fatal in the short-term, it easily could be in the long-term (ingestion destroys my villi and increases risk for cancer). Exactly. Different people suffer from different allergies. However, if we ban any allergen which can affect some small part of the population (say, aspartame) well we might as well ban every foodstuff and have Government mandated no-allergen liquid food tubes with only the regulation amount of food supplied, measured on exercise taken. It'd do away with the obesity problem, too. The nanny state has gone too far. Across the water in the UK we hear the left wing whine about how the Government should do something about obesity and mandate what foods we can eat and how much. Really. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
... Jim Baker wrote: My wife's college roommate's 12 year old son was allergic to peanuts. He died from it. No bull. There's one. The Knoxville News Sentinel has a columnist named Sam Venable. His son is violently allergic to them. That's two. My friend Ed (ex-lodger) is also allergic to nuts. (3) My ex-boss is allergic to peas of all things. He's the only person I've ever heard of having that problem. Paul |
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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message ... "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Jim Baker wrote: My wife's college roommate's 12 year old son was allergic to peanuts. He died from it. No bull. There's one. The Knoxville News Sentinel has a columnist named Sam Venable. His son is violently allergic to them. That's two. My friend Ed (ex-lodger) is also allergic to nuts. (3) My ex-boss is allergic to peas of all things. He's the only person I've ever heard of having that problem. I am allergic to fir trees, which is a heck of a thing for a Boy Scout leader living in the Pacific Northwest. It also means we have an artificial tree for Christmas. |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:19 -0400, "John T" wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" wrote in message A friend of mine who is on a bit of an anti aspartame crusade, tells me that SWA no longer allows pilots to be served diet coke for fear of some dire medical consequences. It sounds like an attempt to start an urban legend. Others have come befo http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp I don't place a lot of credibility in snopes either, but the only thing aspertame does ot me is a bad headache and a hearty case of stomach cramps and the ... ahem... green apple two step. Only lasts a couple of hours. I'd hate to cough or sneeze during a bout though. Ever been in a dairy barn after the cows have been turned out in the fields right after the corn was picked? Don't stand behind them and if you hear one cough... "Duck!" Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Olivers wrote: G.R. Patterson III extrapolated from data available... Olivers wrote: One, two.......and at what number do you want the world to stop serving peanuts? Do you want the airlines to be barred from serving an inexpensive and at least filling snack beloved by many? Just how did we get from warning labels on products containing peanuts to a worldwide ban on them? A number of groups (the allergic and "assorted nutters") have called for banning peanuts on US airline flights, and several airlines have apparently decided to go along rather than risk confrontation and bad mouthing (or law suits) Peanuts are different than other food allergies as the allergen can be passed to the sufferer via airborne particles. My sister had one kid in her class who was so allergic she couldn't grade papers in her kitchen for fear off passing something on. Many schools now have Peanut Butter free sections of cafeterias to control the issue. Airplanes have terrible air that is constantly recirculated. I'd rather have the nasty, dry pretzels than the kid next to be stop breathing. Margy |
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