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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Maxwell writes:
6/8/2007 at 12:05 am, in this thread you wrote. "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... The active posters here who matter also show at least a modicum of respect, since both civility and competence have a common root in intelligence. Your own words just two days ago dip****. Civility, not respect. I deliberately wrote it that way. |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Maxwell writes: 6/8/2007 at 12:05 am, in this thread you wrote. "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... The active posters here who matter also show at least a modicum of respect, since both civility and competence have a common root in intelligence. Your own words just two days ago dip****. Civility, not respect. I deliberately wrote it that way. Play your word games with someone else moron. You're a liar. |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
As a cross-country soaring enthusiast, the notion of soaring below the
rim and out again (assuming the legalities of course) is exciting -- and foolish. A fundamental rule of safe soaring is that you always have a safe place to land, iow never assume there is a thermal between you and the closest place on the ground that will not break your glider. I've seen the Big Ditch a number of times from the air (and twice from my sailplane) and have never seen a safe place to land. -ted Ventus 2C "2NO" |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Maxwell writes:
Play your word games with someone else moron. There aren't that many morons around. |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Tuno writes:
As a cross-country soaring enthusiast, the notion of soaring below the rim and out again (assuming the legalities of course) is exciting -- and foolish. A fundamental rule of safe soaring is that you always have a safe place to land, iow never assume there is a thermal between you and the closest place on the ground that will not break your glider. I've seen the Big Ditch a number of times from the air (and twice from my sailplane) and have never seen a safe place to land. Understood. If you _did_ have a safe place to land, somewhere, would there be enough rising air in the canyon to safely lift you out after gliding some distance below the rim? If so, how low could you go? I don't know much about sources of rising air for gliding, so the question may be naïve. |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Mxsmanic wrote:
Maxwell writes: Play your word games with someone else moron. There aren't that many morons around. Yep, mostly you. Though in fairness you're mostly malicious. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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If you _did_ have a safe place to land, somewhere, would there be enough
rising air in the canyon to safely lift you out after gliding some distance below the rim? If so, how low could you go? I don't know much about sources of rising air for gliding, so the question may be naïve. The answer to your first question is Yes. I have thermalled over the canyon once, I have friends who have thermalled over the canyon a number of times, and those thermals had to have originated on the canyon floor, where daytime heating would be good. Next time you're there in warm weather and you see cumulus clouds forming over the canyon, visualize lines from their bottoms down to the ground, adjusted for winds. You'll see that many of the CUs originated from thermals by the river bank. Good thermals, too. Making it to the Canyon is a real treat for Arizona x/c pilots. I hope to do it again in a few weeks en route to Parowan, UT. -ted |
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Tuno writes:
Good thermals, too. Making it to the Canyon is a real treat for Arizona x/c pilots. I hope to do it again in a few weeks en route to Parowan, UT. Don't the current rules pretty much exclude glider flights over the canyon, even above the rim? It doesn't look like you can get below 11,500 MSL or so, and not at all through the no-fly areas. Unless gliders are special (which they could be, since I think the main motivation for the SFRA is noise). |
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Don't the current rules pretty much exclude glider flights over the canyon,
even above the rim? It doesn't look like you can get below 11,500 MSL or so, and not at all through the no-fly areas. Unless gliders are special (which they could be, since I think the main motivation for the SFRA is noise). No. The special air traffic rules specify 14500 MSL as the lowest you can go. That gives a VFR window up to 17999, or higher with clearance from Center. -ted |
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