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Seems like these days the most common not-particularly-useful-to-ATC
remarks I see a None followed closely by: PIC Joe Shmoe, 555-678-1212 |
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1. Because Angel Flights get slightly higher priority in routing if needed and Lifeguard is given priority handling by ATC, Angel Flight is not. **************** Officially, you are correct. Unofficially, Angel Flights are treated with a special (and detectable) "consideration". 2. To give the controller information about the flight that might help in an emergency. How would knowing a VFR GPS was aboard help the controller in an emergency? ***************************** It seems to me that what kind of navigational equipment the pilot has on board is "relevant to the flight", and I can think of scenarios where knowing the pilot has a GPS might help in an emergency involving failure of one or more instruments, or partial electrical failure. Let me ask you, Steven, how could it HURT the controller to have this information? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Officially, you are correct. Unofficially, Angel Flights are treated with a special (and detectable) "consideration". "Officially" is all that matters. It seems to me that what kind of navigational equipment the pilot has on board is "relevant to the flight", and I can think of scenarios where knowing the pilot has a GPS might help in an emergency involving failure of one or more instruments, or partial electrical failure. But you can't articulate any? The question was, "How would knowing a VFR GPS was aboard help the controller in an emergency?" Providing a few of those scenarios would answer the question, but simply stating that you know of a few scenarios does not. Let me ask you, Steven, how could it HURT the controller to have this information? It wouldn't. It wouldn't HURT the controller to have the pilot's height and weight information either but I bet you don't put that in remarks when you file. |
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"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message ... How would knowing a VFR GPS was aboard help the controller in an emergency? Not sure about emergency, but it does tell the control that you have the ability to reliably navigate direct to anywhere. Wouldn't simply filing direct to anywhere tell the controller you have the ability to reliably navigate direct to anywhere? I have been given clearances to navaids that are well outside of reception range, as well as direct to my destination field from 350nm away. If I put the "GPS" note in there, the controller will often ask if I can navigate direct, or if I would like direct, to wherever he needs to clear me. If I don't put the "GPS" note in there, I rarely am asked if I can go direct to a navaid outside of range, for example. Have you filed direct to navaids that are well outside of reception range or direct to your destination field from 350nm away without putting "VFR GPS" in remarks and had your requested route denied? Did you file those same routes with "VFR GPS" in remarks and been cleared as filed? The GPS isn't necessarily relevant to the controller's ability to give the direct clearances, but it tells him that I am likely able to go direct without wandering around, and without being baby-sat with vectors along the way. Why would the controller believe you might be unable to navigate what you filed without "VFR GPS" in remarks. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net... Angel Flight is not given priority handling by ATC. What is the purpose of the special call sign that Angel Flights use to distinguish themselves? --Gary |
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Gary Drescher wrote: What is the purpose of the special call sign that Angel Flights use to distinguish themselves? It is a goodwill gesture on the part of the FAA. |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message ... What is the purpose of the special call sign that Angel Flights use to distinguish themselves? According to Angel Flight West the call sign "indicates to ATC the '...need for appropriate (but not priority) handling by ATC'." According to an Air Traffic Bulletin issued six years ago use of the call sign identifies the flight as a non-profit, charitable, community service involving no priority handling, but minimal delay would be appreciated. |
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"Officially" is all that matters.
No, =un=officially is all that matters. What matters is the effect the pilot gets from the remark. If there is no official benefit to saying "angel flight" but controllers do in fact ("unofficially") give them priority, the pilot receives the benefit (as does the patient). Officials be damned. Jose -- "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Jose" wrote in message .. . No, =un=officially is all that matters. What matters is the effect the pilot gets from the remark. If there is no official benefit to saying "angel flight" but controllers do in fact ("unofficially") give them priority, the pilot receives the benefit (as does the patient). Officials be damned. Controllers make mistakes. If a controller gives a flight priority handling based on an Angel Flight call sign he is acting contrary to FAA Order 7110.65. As always, my comments are based on controllers knowing and following procedures. Officially or unofficially, THAT is all that matters. |
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Controllers make mistakes. If a controller gives a flight priority handling
based on an Angel Flight call sign he is acting contrary to FAA Order 7110.65. What if a controller gives priority when there is no other reason to - for example (you can make a better one up) two planes approaching the same waypoint at the same time. One is given vectors for delay. Would giving the delay vectors to the non-angel flight aircraft be a viloation of 7110.65? Jose -- "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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