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  #61  
Old June 5th 07, 11:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
RomeoMike
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wrote:
On Jun 5, 3:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

I suppose it depends on how you define the limits of Marble Canyon.


Or how one defines an obnoxious, Google know-it-all.



MX sounds like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the definition of 'is'
is."
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Old June 6th 07, 01:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
A Guy Called Tyketto
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RomeoMike wrote:


wrote:
On Jun 5, 3:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

I suppose it depends on how you define the limits of Marble Canyon.


Or how one defines an obnoxious, Google know-it-all.



MX sounds like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the definition of 'is'
is."


On top of that, it is bad pilots with poor/outdated charts that
cause potentially fatal incidents that will ruin GA.

BL.
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Old June 6th 07, 07:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Marty Shapiro writes:

Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does
one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6
months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport
that the airport is still really operational as an airport?


It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can still land
on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It doesn't need a tower or
terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable airport.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would
believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there.


It's on both charts.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle?


Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed.

The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep.


What maintenance did a dirt strip require?

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted.


You can fly VFR without a flight plan.

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.


In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative.
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Old June 6th 07, 07:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

So your charts are the only ones that are right, and the
Arizona state government is wrong?


The charts are what I would use if I had to land somewhere.

Why is the State suddenly more right than the charts? Do you consult the
State before flying, or the charts?

Show me at NACO, MyAirplane, or anyplace where a current A/FD
exists that has L50.


Why is MyAirplane more reliable than an official chart?
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Old June 6th 07, 07:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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RomeoMike writes:

MX sounds like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the definition of 'is'
is."


Bill Clinton became President. You did not.
  #67  
Old June 6th 07, 07:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Marty Shapiro writes:

Had he bothered, he would have found that the airport was closed in
December, 2004.


It's just a dirt strip. "Open" and "closed" don't have much meaning.
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Old June 6th 07, 09:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does
one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6
months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport
that the airport is still really operational as an airport?


It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can still land
on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It doesn't need a tower or
terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable airport.


There is a HUGE difference between a strip of dirt, and an
open, Operational field. According to the owners of the field, The
Arizona DOT, it is closed and not to be used for any operations. And
you of all people should know that, seeing that you allegedly LIVED in
Arizona.

It is CLOSED, and therefore not a usable field for anything at
all, expect a decent place to put down for an emergency landing.

Expect this field to show up shortly at airfields-freeman.com
for being Abandoned/Closed. I'm even willing to bet it won't even show
up as abandoned on the next sectional.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would
believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there.


It's on both charts.


How about this. Pull up Skype and call the closest FSS to
Tuweep (Prescott FSS). Ask them if Tuweep is an open field. Then report
back to us what their answer was. Be sure to put your tail between your
legs when you do.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle?


Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed.


So you refuse to believe the government, who controls the
charts and listings for active fields? You are pathetic.

The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep.


What maintenance did a dirt strip require?


Lessee.. Active listing in A/FDs, for one, magnetic variation
for the runway, appropriate calculable runway length/width, MVAs for
that area.. Need I go on?

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted.


You can fly VFR without a flight plan.


Well, no ****. Read what he said. File a flight plan, VFR, IFR
or whatever, to L50 with DUATs. And while he may not say it, I will.
I'll guaran-damn-tee it won't be accepted.

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.


In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative.


I have to agree with him. Your statements are pure
unsustantiated bull****.

BL.
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Old June 6th 07, 09:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

So your charts are the only ones that are right, and the
Arizona state government is wrong?


The charts are what I would use if I had to land somewhere.

Why is the State suddenly more right than the charts? Do you consult the
State before flying, or the charts?


If the state owns the airport (which in the US, the city and/or
state's Dept. of Transportation owns and operates the airport)
indicates that the field is closed, I would believe the state over old
charts. See below for why.

Show me at NACO, MyAirplane, or anyplace where a current A/FD
exists that has L50.


Why is MyAirplane more reliable than an official chart?


Because MyAirplane as well as NACO contain the official A/FDs
for a given airport. They are also on a more updated cycle than
sectionals. A good pilot shall and must ALWAYS have the most recent
charts with them. If they don't, they are asking for being blasted by
controllers. If the latest A/FDs show a field to be closed, then the
sectionals that have the field shown as open are outdated. Therefore,
your charts are outdated, and you are wrong.

Yet another among countless times 'you are wrong' has to be
drilled into your head. Perhaps next time we shouldn't use a statement,
but an actual drill.

BL.
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Old June 6th 07, 09:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

Had he bothered, he would have found that the airport was closed in
December, 2004.


It's just a dirt strip. "Open" and "closed" don't have much meaning.


Grasping at straws, Anthony. It's there in black and white.
I'll even be generous to you and point you to it:

Talk of the Arizona Pilot's Association accepting donations to
reopen Tuweep after CLOSU

http://www.azpilots.org/tuweep.htm

The RAF's talk of Tuweep's CLOSU

http://www.recreationalaviationfound...raf/tuweep.htm

Bloody hell, they even mention the X's on the strip.

Perhaps the heavy metal band Anthrax was right; talking to you
is like clapping with one hand.

BL.
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