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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
Jim,
Most of the warbirds are classed as Experimental. By definition, they are "our own" as much as the squadrons of glass-cockpit RVs and Lancairs and the increasingly-rare builder-designed or even plans-built birds. Aviation - especially Experimental aviation, VERY especially high-density Experimental aviation - is a high-risk endeavor. Situational awareness is never perfect. Accidents DO happen. A good many T-6 drivers may be hot-doggers. The waddling TBM doesn't lend itself to that sort of attitude, though. Having seen TBMs and RVs up close, though, I can understand how it might be hard to see an RV from a TBM - especially if it was close-aboard. To the under-30 crowd who "can't relate" to WW2 aircraft, I respectfully submit the observation that if not for those aircraft - and the men and women (now in their 80s if they're alive at all) who built, maintained, and flew them - you would almost certainly not be reading this post today. Totalitarian states do not permit experimental aviation. Those "ancient clattertraps" serve to remind us that freedom such as we enjoy is not - has never been, will never be - free. -Corrie RST Engineering wrote: So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has more money than good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway in front of his aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort of payback for this sort of stupidity. Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh. Jim |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
Jim,
Don't get me wrong, I certainly appreciate them and the sacrifices of those who operated them. The vaccuum tube computer was an important invention in history too and should be preserved. However, it would be a mere passing curiosity at today's Consumer Electornics Show for instance. It's not that they are not important, but that for me _personally_ they do not hold my interest. They apparently interest plenty of other people and that's fine.... I'll go look at the Cirrus and Eclipse exhibits during that part of the airshow! --Dan CB wrote: Jim, Most of the warbirds are classed as Experimental. By definition, they are "our own" as much as the squadrons of glass-cockpit RVs and Lancairs and the increasingly-rare builder-designed or even plans-built birds. Aviation - especially Experimental aviation, VERY especially high-density Experimental aviation - is a high-risk endeavor. Situational awareness is never perfect. Accidents DO happen. A good many T-6 drivers may be hot-doggers. The waddling TBM doesn't lend itself to that sort of attitude, though. Having seen TBMs and RVs up close, though, I can understand how it might be hard to see an RV from a TBM - especially if it was close-aboard. To the under-30 crowd who "can't relate" to WW2 aircraft, I respectfully submit the observation that if not for those aircraft - and the men and women (now in their 80s if they're alive at all) who built, maintained, and flew them - you would almost certainly not be reading this post today. Totalitarian states do not permit experimental aviation. Those "ancient clattertraps" serve to remind us that freedom such as we enjoy is not - has never been, will never be - free. -Corrie RST Engineering wrote: So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has more money than good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway in front of his aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort of payback for this sort of stupidity. Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh. Jim |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
RST,
Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh. Great idea. GA is small enough to be threatened from all sides, so we should definitely start the in-fighting and make it even smaller by ourselves. Yep. Sounds great. For the airlines. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
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"RST Engineering" wrote: [snip] So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has more money than good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway in front of his aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort of payback for this sort of stupidity. Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh. From this post and others, sounds like everyone would be better served to keep stupid pilots from Oshkosh. But how to do that? There's the rub, eh? -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
Bob,
From this post and others, sounds like everyone would be better served to keep stupid pilots from Oshkosh. And it sounds like everyone posting is not part of that group gd&r. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
From this post and others, sounds like everyone would be better served to keep stupid pilots from Oshkosh. But how to do that? There's the rub, eh? I spent a few hours listening on the scanner, and one thing that struck me is that the tower people were *way* too accomodating. We heard people just call in 5 miles out from any which direction, not having followed the Ripon-Fisk arrival route, and instead of telling them to go away and come back when they had read the NOTAM, tower just slotted them in and welcomed them to Oshkosh. Other people reading back tower instructions, people landing on the threshold instead of their assigned dots, etc. And tower just worked around the stupidity. Not much incentive for you to study the NOTAM and practice spot landings for a week if being fat, dumb and happy gets your a faster arrival. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died. -- Steven Wright |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
its the 98% of pilots who give the rest a bad reputation.
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
The best airshows and flyins I've been to...have been those without
warbirds. Furthermore I'm more than tired of the worship demanded of the entire WWII thing. Yes, they did good. Now can we puh-leeeze move on?? Having said that, I know there are those who like the warbirds and the worshipful attitude. And a huge airshow/flyin like Airventure should have them as part of the complete package. But they should definitely be segregrated from GA arrivals and departures. |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
RST Engineering wrote: Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh. Jim To imply that warbird pilots as a group are hotdogging idiots to be banned is as valid as saying that all Cessna pilots are fine, professional types that do no wrong. Ban a whole group...never. How about some enforcement against the show-offs and rules breakers that form the minority of all pilot groups?! |
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Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh
I completely agree with your comment with one addition.
Penalty enforcement is fine, and should be encouraged, but its not what will save lives. Pre-emptive analysis of the entire flight and ground safety issue at Oshkosh is the only approach to this issue that will save lives. The safety program in general at Oshkosh needs a serious and in depth review. The traffic situation vs the space available both in the air and on the ground has reached the point where absolute control is necessary. Without this taking place, I'm afraid there might very well be a need for more "enforcement" after the fact.....down the line. Dudley Henriques "RomeoMike" wrote in message ... RST Engineering wrote: Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh. Jim To imply that warbird pilots as a group are hotdogging idiots to be banned is as valid as saying that all Cessna pilots are fine, professional types that do no wrong. Ban a whole group...never. How about some enforcement against the show-offs and rules breakers that form the minority of all pilot groups?! |
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