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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf
Walt wrote: We want to get out of the damn region not stir it up. Graham What is your source for that? The British public. No, we -absolutely- want bases in the Middle East. What we had/have in Saudi Arabia was not satisfactory. Too many limits. What do you need them for ? Do you want to cause more trouble and loathing of the USA (that inspires worldwide anti-US/western feeling and terrorism) for sticking your big stupid ignorant noses into other countries affairs ? Graham |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (according to what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN yesterday morning):
On Oct 1, 9:13?pm, Eeyore
wrote: Walt wrote: We want to get out of the damn region not stir it up. Graham What is your source for that? The British public. No, we -absolutely- want bases in the Middle East. What we had/have in Saudi Arabia was not satisfactory. Too many limits. What do you need them for ? We need them to control the flow of Oil from the region of course. When you say "we" are trying to disengage from the Mideast, do you mean the US or the UK? Either or both? Maybe I misunderstood you. Walt |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf Blitzer
Walt wrote:
We want to get out of the damn region not stir it up. Graham What is your source for that? Public opinion? Of course, it would be a shock if in the western 'democracies' their government would respect the wishes of the people. (see Aznar or Berlusconi, they disregarded 70-90% of their people.) No, we -absolutely- want bases in the Middle East. What we had/have in Saudi Arabia was not satisfactory. Too many limits. We agree on that. Bush wanted to colonize Iraq from day one. He wanted to have military bases for further aggressions. Let's give the Neo-Cons who run Bush some credit. They knew the chance of reconciling Sunni and Shia after overthrowing Saddam were vanishingly small. No. They knew that the cooperation of Sunnies and Shiits would be a dissenter for the occupation. After the Falluja and Najaf resistance of 2004. The Bush administration had only one choice, bring in Negroponte, father of death squads in Central America, ferment sectarian hostility. They knew that disbanding the Iraqi army would cause chaos and civil war. They don't want an Iraqi national government. It might ask us to leave some day. Well, yes, but an obedient government is the best. They haven't been grossly incompetent; they've been as brilliant as the Sun. It's to be seen. Yes, the Bush regime were very successful of turning tax payers money to the military establishment, to oil interests, to their cronies. But, the neocons aim of controlling the world, Pax Americana has been dealt a big blow. All of you that voted for Bush should be very proud of their success. Most had no idea what they voted for. You give too much credit. |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf
Walt wrote: Eeyore wrote: Walt wrote: We want to get out of the damn region not stir it up. Graham What is your source for that? The British public. No, we -absolutely- want bases in the Middle East. What we had/have in Saudi Arabia was not satisfactory. Too many limits. What do you need them for ? We need them to control the flow of Oil from the region of course. That's none of your damn business. Graham |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf
Walt wrote: When you say "we" are trying to disengage from the Mideast, do you mean the US or the UK? Either or both? UK. The military adventure in Iraq was hugely unpopular. It's judged to have adversely affected our securiry. Graham |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran(accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview
dapra wrote: Walt wrote: We want to get out of the damn region not stir it up. Graham What is your source for that? Public opinion? Of course, it would be a shock if in the western 'democracies' their government would respect the wishes of the people. (see Aznar or Berlusconi, they disregarded 70-90% of their people.) Blair also disregarded public opinion at the time. Prior to the recent Iraq War there was the largest ever demonstration recorded in British history against it with some one million demonstrators. They were right too. The whole adventure has been a disastrous fiasco. Graham |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingtowhat Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf Blitzeron
Eeyore wrote:
dapra wrote: Walt wrote: We want to get out of the damn region not stir it up. Graham What is your source for that? Public opinion? Of course, it would be a shock if in the western 'democracies' their government would respect the wishes of the people. (see Aznar or Berlusconi, they disregarded 70-90% of their people.) Blair also disregarded public opinion at the time. Prior to the recent Iraq War there was the largest ever demonstration recorded in British history against it with some one million demonstrators. They were right too. The whole adventure has been a disastrous fiasco. Graham The government has never followed, respected the public's pinions. They, the puppets of the plutocrats do wars whenever they want to. It's only the matter of sufficient brainwashing to bring the over worked, drugged, masses on their side. The media has never failed to perform this for the plutocracy, they are paid to be the servants of the plutocracy. |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf
Walt wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:50?am, Matt wrote: Seymour Hersh has been so discredited (ever since his utterly false allegations about the KAL 007 shootdown) that no one except the more gullible segments of the controversy-loving American media would pay the slightest attention to anything he said. This silliness just adds to his fact-free view of the world. Sources please. How has Hersh been discredited? Walt his existence is enough to do that. redc1c4, (talk about a carbon debt to Gaia.... %-) -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." Army Officer's Guide |
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URGENT: British on board with coming air strikes on Iran (accordingto what Seymour Hersh mentioned in the following interview with Wolf Blitzer
Matt wrote:
Hersh claimed the Space Shuttle was involved in relaying KAL data even though it was on an unclassified mission and had no suitable equipment. Add that zero documentation or testimony has ever been produced, and how does Hersh retain any credibility whatsoever? I think that confuses Hersh with the claims of a certain Tony Devereux, originally published under the pseudonym P. Q. Mann. Devereux's speculations have been roundly dicredited. Hersh's seem to have fared considerably better. So far as I know, Hersh never claimed any space shuttle - KAL 007 connection. Cheers, |
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