A BFR question

On Jan 23, 12:43*pm, Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jan 23, 12:43 pm, Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO
and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

Correct.. you can only do it as long as the Form 8 is valid, when I was on
active duty.. it was a 17 month check ride cycle. After that the Form 8
expires and the FSDO will not accept it.

BT

On Jan 23, 4:14*pm, "BT" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ...
On Jan 23, 12:43 pm, Dallas wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO
and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

Correct.. you can only do it as long as the Form 8 is valid, when I was on
active duty.. it was a 17 month check ride cycle. After that the Form 8
expires and the FSDO will not accept it.

I hope he still has time. That would really be sad for him to lose
that and have to start over again.

-Robert

True.. and then the CAP grounds you for missing a safety meeting. WAIT...
WHAT SAFETY MEETING...
The one we had last week.... AND DID YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT??? aahh... No..
the email did not go announcing the meeting.. it was "word of mouth"... but
you are grounded anyway for missing the meeting.. until you make it up..

Ohh.. and another thing.. the online requirements to prepare for a Form5
ride are complete, but the check pilot does not take action. "He's too
busy".. so it expires... have to "re do"...

And people wonder why I left CAP.

BT
USAF RET

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jan 22, 9:45 pm, wrote:

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

-robert, CFII and USAF Aux Check Pilot

On Jan 23, 4:18*pm, "BT" wrote:
True.. and then the CAP grounds you for missing a safety meeting. WAIT...
WHAT SAFETY MEETING...
The one we had last week.... AND DID YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT??? aahh... No..
the email did not go announcing the meeting.. it was "word of mouth"... *but
you are grounded anyway for missing the meeting.. until you make it up..

Ohh.. and another thing.. the online requirements to prepare for a Form5
ride are complete, but the check pilot does not take action. "He's too
busy".. so it expires... have to "re do"...

And people wonder why I left CAP.

All true. When you combine the paperwork requirements of the AF with
volunteers things often work at the speed of nothing. Things are
getting better in that most of the approvals are now done online and
they require less actual paperwork be sent around.
The biggest issue we have in the Pacific region is reimbersements. You
get up at 1AM to fly a mission and then put $300 worth of avgas on
your credit card but then have to wait 6 months for a check. At one
point we were told we would be allowed to use a CAP credit card, then
told we weren't, then told we were, etc. To date no cards have shown
up so when the truck pulls up the the "U.S. Airforce Auxillary" plane
you still pull out your personal credit card.

-Robert

On Jan 23, 7:18 pm, "BT" wrote:


And people wonder why I left CAP.

BT
USAF RET

I'm retired military also and get frustrated with CAP as well. But,
you have to keep in mind most of the people you deal with are
volunteers. CAP is what we do in spare time -- and spare time is what
busy people who can afford to fly have very little of.

In some ways it is no different than being an officer -- you have to
be your own admin, finance, logistics, maintenance, and operations
clerk on the side if you want to get things done.

Dan

I think he said in the OP he was retired but had the FAA tickets.. and that
he had not flown in 15 years.

BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jan 23, 4:14 pm, "BT" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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On Jan 23, 12:43 pm, Dallas wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO
and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

Correct.. you can only do it as long as the Form 8 is valid, when I was on
active duty.. it was a 17 month check ride cycle. After that the Form 8
expires and the FSDO will not accept it.

I hope he still has time. That would really be sad for him to lose
that and have to start over again.

-Robert

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:55:38 -0800, BT wrote:

I think he said in the OP he was retired but had the FAA tickets.. and that
he had not flown in 15 years.

Bingo.

He was clearly smart enough to request FAA certificates when he had the
chance.

--
Dallas

On Jan 23, 6:55*pm, "BT" wrote:
I think he said in the OP he was retired but had the FAA tickets.. and that
he had not flown in 15 years.

Ah, I missed that. So this situation does not apply to the OP's
friend, he just needs a BFR and perhaps an IPC.

-Robert

They may or may not get the ASEL rating depending on their timing.
Not only do you have to have a valid Form 8, you also have to have a
graduation certificate from the military training school to show completion
of an "approved course of instruction". The "solo students" would not have
graduated yet. I do not know if the solo students get "solo form 8s" in
their training folders or simply endorsements.

Sorry, we've left that tid bit out of the discussion.

This is why the glider instructors at the USAFA do not get FAA Glider
certificicates. They may have soloed in gliders, and actually instructed in
gliders, but they have not completed an approved "course of instruction" and
earn glider wings.

We have had a few of the USAFA graduates that come to us to complete their
training and take the FAA Check ride for their civil glider rating.

BT

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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BT wrote:

It's true.. and it happens.. AF Trained pilots, T-37, T-38, F-15 are Multi
Engine, Centerline Thrust.
They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

No SE.


That was the case in the past. The Tweet is being retired and new pilots
have been training on the T-6A Texan II, which is a turbine powered
single.
Now, the AF guys will get both single and multi instruction, like their
Navy
counterparts have always had (T-34C).

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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