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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?



 
 
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Old June 13th 07, 04:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Cubdriver
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:26:48 +0200, Mxsmanic
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But you can look where you're going in both cases: with your head level with
the horizon, and with your head level with the aircraft.


I can't imagine a pilot would crane his head left or right in order to
stay oriented with the horizon. The natural thing to do is have your
spine straight up and down, perpendicular to your seat.

(Does anybody do it another way--in a real airplane, I mean?)

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

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Old June 13th 07, 04:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Cubdriver
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:26:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Interesting. When you learn to ride a motorcycle, you're taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon in turns ... because turning your head with the
bike as you lean into a turn results in disorientation.


It didn't for me! I rode a bike for a couple years, and I leaned with
the machine.

I do the same thing with the bike-bike, though of course with pedal
power the lean isn't very radical.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

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Old June 13th 07, 04:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On 2007-06-13 11:31:15 -0400, Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net said:

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:26:48 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

But you can look where you're going in both cases: with your head level with
the horizon, and with your head level with the aircraft.


I can't imagine a pilot would crane his head left or right in order to
stay oriented with the horizon. The natural thing to do is have your
spine straight up and down, perpendicular to your seat.

(Does anybody do it another way--in a real airplane, I mean?)

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

You are correct.


Correcting any tendency to lean away from the turn is one of the first
things any good instructor should address during the first hour of dual
with any primary student.

Dudley Henriques


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Old June 21st 07, 06:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:21:12 +0000, Bob Moore wrote:

Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.


I want to watch the in-flight video of someone doing a roll while keeping
his/her head aligned with the horizon.

Laugh

- Andrew

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Old June 21st 07, 07:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On 2007-06-21 13:01:55 -0400, Andrew Gideon said:

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:21:12 +0000, Bob Moore wrote:

Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.


I want to watch the in-flight video of someone doing a roll while keeping
his/her head aligned with the horizon.

Laugh

- Andrew


This may be seen in the bed scene in the "Exorcist" :-)
Dudley Henriques

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Old June 21st 07, 07:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
birdog
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?


"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:21:12 +0000, Bob Moore wrote:

Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.


I want to watch the in-flight video of someone doing a roll while keeping
his/her head aligned with the horizon.

Laugh

- Andrew


Military style - according to an old P-51 combat WWII pilot.

They were taught to pick a point on the horizon and fly around it as a
training exercise. He flew me through several with virtual perfection.
Say a barrel roll to the left. With speed, turn about 45 deg. to the right,
pulling the nose up some 20 deg. and start the roll to the left. Rudder and
stick control as required to hold the nose equidistant from the point all
way around. Past vertical to knife-edge and begin right rudder for
coordinated turn 45 degrees back to straight and level. The point is
straight ahead. Obviously, he stared straight ahead thruout.

This is approximate, because after about 100 tries I never came close to
getting it right.


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Old June 21st 07, 11:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On 2007-06-21 14:30:33 -0400, "birdog" said:


"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:21:12 +0000, Bob Moore wrote:

Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.


I want to watch the in-flight video of someone doing a roll while keeping
his/her head aligned with the horizon.

Laugh

- Andrew


Military style - according to an old P-51 combat WWII pilot.

They were taught to pick a point on the horizon and fly around it as a
training exercise. He flew me through several with virtual perfection.
Say a barrel roll to the left. With speed, turn about 45 deg. to the right,
pulling the nose up some 20 deg. and start the roll to the left. Rudder and
stick control as required to hold the nose equidistant from the point all
way around. Past vertical to knife-edge and begin right rudder for
coordinated turn 45 degrees back to straight and level. The point is
straight ahead. Obviously, he stared straight ahead thruout.

This is approximate, because after about 100 tries I never came close to
getting it right.


You can do it. The initial setup for the roll is just a bit different.
You dive for airspeed and bank in an offset to the point, then you
begin the roll from that offset point with the visual point for the
roll kept equidistant all the way around.
It's a great training exercise.
Dudley Henriques

 




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