Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR

Mxsmanic wrote in
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WingFlaps writes:

Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft operating
limitations...

Are there climb/descent rate restrictions for specific airspaces, for
VFR flights operating without ATC restrictions?


In your world? Nope.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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gatt writes:

That's how I viewed the question. The airspace/limits don't
specifically refer to VFR cruise, although cruising under VFR would
still make you subject to broader airspace and operating limits.

So are there general limits for climb and descent rates that apply to
VFR?

I know there are constraints for climbs and descents directed by ATC,
but for climbs and descents initiated by the pilot on his own (which
would usually apply only to VFR, although there are some IFR examples,
too), I can't find a specific maximum or (especially) minimum.


You are an idiot

Bertie

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Just in case Bertie's wording has made anyone jumpy, the universe itself
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In rec.aviation.student Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes:

That's how I viewed the question. The airspace/limits don't specifically
refer to VFR cruise, although cruising under VFR would still make you
subject to broader airspace and operating limits.

So are there general limits for climb and descent rates that apply to VFR?

Hasn't this question already been answered? Why are you asking it again?

I know there are constraints for climbs and descents directed by ATC, but for
climbs and descents initiated by the pilot on his own (which would usually
apply only to VFR, although there are some IFR examples, too), I can't find a
specific maximum or (especially) minimum.

Gliders have wildly varying rates of climb and descent, it's extremely
common to maintain 1-200fpm down for very long periods of time, and it's
not too uncommon to maintain very slow ascents for long periods of time
either. This is, of course, perfectly legal, and I'm not aware of any
regulation which only makes this sort of thing legal for the propulsively
challenged.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

On Feb 15, 9:19*am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are
others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend
(remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must also not
use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict with ATC unless
you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into
controlled space except as part of a flight plan. The descent rate at
or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or
within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots should
think outside the box ;-)

Cheers

On Feb 15, 9:24*am, "John" wrote:
Not to get into the whole parsing argument but for the subset of flight
known as VFR, there are no climb and descent rules that apply only to VFR
flight. *The rules about airspace and operating limits apply to both VFR and
IFR flights.


Except when ascent or descent involves separation maybe?

Cheers



No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

On Feb 15, 9:32*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:043b8c97-e1d9-463a-9d5f-
:

On Feb 15, 12:31*am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

*Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft operating
limitations...

Well, neither one has much to do with a vertical speed limit.


A dive which goes over Vne?

Cheers

On Feb 15, 9:39*am, Michael Ash wrote:
In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about 25,000fpm
(needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in terms of
indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many flights would
need to worry about this limitation.


You've got it! Also Vne is usually a lot slower than that for most GA.
There are other "tricky" examples I can think of.

Cheers

On Feb 15, 9:40*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote :

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


Damn jet jockies. :-)))

Cheers

On Feb 15, 11:52*am, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
"WingFlaps" wrote in message

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On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:

No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.
Cheers

You can't descend or climb faster than the speed of sound over most land.
Damn.

Good one, I hadn't thought of that.

Cheers