Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR

On Feb 15, 12:50*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote in news:abe412d8-9248-4ec1-b5d3-
:

It is an absolute violation to ascend or descend faster 186,000mps.
But
feel free to try and let me know the outcome.

That may change this year....

Bertie-

Hey, look. If you got no wikipedia link on that one I'm sorry but I
just gotta call BS on it.

Well, it's the particle accelerator at CERN in Geneva, They're doing an
experiment this year which could open a wormhole, or make a localised black
hole. they'r enot really sure, which is a bit worring. I didn't see it on
the net, but I'm sure you can find plenty!



You are quite right. But if the worm is small or the hole too small
there's probably not much fun to be had.

Cheers

On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote
:


Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.


Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is.

Michael Ash wrote in news:1203047082.57576@nfs-
db1.segnet.com:

In rec.aviation.student Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Yeah, looks ineresting. Some people are mildly worried they might end
the universe as well.

This is the place, anyway..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

Just in case Bertie's wording has made anyone jumpy, the universe itself
does this sort of thing all the time (high-energy cosmic rays smashing
into things) and it's still around.


Exactly.

Stil, they haven't done it in this close a proximity to so many anal
retentive people before. (Swizerland always looks like my mother has been
there, cleaning up after everyone)


Bertie

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 15, 9:19*am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are
others).

Actuall, that's "should not" There are airplanes in which it's permissable
to go to Vd in an emergency, though they might have Vmo instead of Vne now
I think about it.
I'm not even sure if I've flown one or not...

Never mind!


Bertie

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 15, 9:32*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in
news:043b8c97-e1d9-463a-9d5f-
:

On Feb 15, 12:31*am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

*Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft operating
limitations...

Well, neither one has much to do with a vertical speed limit.


A dive which goes over Vne?


Well, yes, flight testing for instance. VNE is 10% below a tested dive
speed. Alos, as I posted before, some airplanes had an emergency dive
speed. Vd. I'd have to look it up to see, though. In any case, it's not a
legal limit, it;'s a design limitation.



Bertie

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote
:


Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.


Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is.




Well, if by seldom you mean every day, sure.


Bertie

WingFlaps wrote in
:

On Feb 15, 12:50*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote in news:abe412d8-9248-4ec1-b5d3-
:

It is an absolute violation to ascend or descend faster
186,000mps.
But
feel free to try and let me know the outcome.

That may change this year....

Bertie-

Hey, look. If you got no wikipedia link on that one I'm sorry but I
just gotta call BS on it.

Well, it's the particle accelerator at CERN in Geneva, They're doing
an experiment this year which could open a wormhole, or make a
localised blac
k
hole. they'r enot really sure, which is a bit worring. I didn't see
it on the net, but I'm sure you can find plenty!



You are quite right. But if the worm is small or the hole too small
there's probably not much fun to be had.

What some are taling about is being able to send messages from the
future to the past via such a hole. You can only send it as far back as
the time as when the hole is opened. Be sending particles back in
something like morse code, for instance, you have a telephone to the
future. Forward comms are easy. All you have to do is leave a note on
the 'fridge.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
:

On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote
:

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.

No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is.




Well, if by seldom you mean every day, sure.


Bertie

Agree, maybe a bit less in USA, but Europe is pretty normal.

On Feb 14, 9:16*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

However,
if you're VFR in, say, Class B, and ATC has _not_ directed you specifically to
climb or descend, and ******you decide to change altitude yourself*****

Say, what? You have just committed an airspace violation and the
VATSIM controllers will remotely detonate your aircraft and kill all
onboard. You will be black-balled and not permitted to fly MSFS
again. Then what would you do?

--Jeff

Flydive wrote in :

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
:

On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote
:

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give
in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.

No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is.




Well, if by seldom you mean every day, sure.


Bertie

Agree, maybe a bit less in USA, but Europe is pretty normal.


All da time in da USA!

For many heavies, min clean speed on takeoff is often over 250 knots and
they have permission to exceed 250 every time they need to. Mostly this
is loooong haul.
But you're right. No speed is more often head in Europe and in many
countries they just don't care what you do. in fact in Europe, they
might get ****ed off with you if you are cleared "high speed" and you
don't keep it moving! Screws things up traffic wise.

Bertie