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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
JB wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:16 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: However, if you're VFR in, say, Class B, and ATC has _not_ directed you specifically to climb or descend, and ******you decide to change altitude yourself***** Say, what? You have just committed an airspace violation and the VATSIM controllers will remotely detonate your aircraft and kill all onboard. You will be black-balled and not permitted to fly MSFS again. Then what would you do? --Jeff Actually, from a quick look at Anthony's Guest Book on his website, it seems that the VATSIM forum is tired of him as well. |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in : On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Michael Ash wrote : Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about 25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many flights would need to worry about this limitation. Or climb! But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is. No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is. Well, if by seldom you mean every day, sure. By "seldom" I mean rarely. |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
Steven P. McNicoll writes:
The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is. It cannot be waived by ATC, but the FAA can waive it--not something it's likely to do in real time for individual flights, though. |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
: JB wrote: On Feb 14, 9:16 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: However, if you're VFR in, say, Class B, and ATC has _not_ directed you specifically to climb or descend, and ******you decide to change altitude yourself***** Say, what? You have just committed an airspace violation and the VATSIM controllers will remotely detonate your aircraft and kill all onboard. You will be black-balled and not permitted to fly MSFS again. Then what would you do? --Jeff Actually, from a quick look at Anthony's Guest Book on his website, it seems that the VATSIM forum is tired of him as well. Now there's a suprise. Given the old six degrees lof seperation notion, I wonder how ling it will take before the critical mass is reached where the whole planet tires of him. Bertie |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
Mxsmanic wrote in
: Steven P. McNicoll writes: The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is. It cannot be waived by ATC, but the FAA can waive it--not something it's likely to do in real time for individual flights, though. Wrong again fjukktad. Bertie |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in : On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Michael Ash wrote : Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about 25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many flights would need to worry about this limitation. Or climb! But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is. No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is. Well, if by seldom you mean every day, sure. By "seldom" I mean rarely. If by rarely you mean every day, then sure. Bertie |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On 02/15/08 01:53, WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:19�am, Gig 601XL Builder wrote: WingFlaps wrote: On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote: No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX. Cheers Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation. Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend (remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must also not use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict with ATC unless you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into controlled space except as part of a flight plan. What? You believe that an aircraft with no radio is not allowed to enter controlled airspace without being on a flight plan? Can you please provide a reference to that regulation? The descent rate at or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots should think outside the box ;-) Cheers -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
"WingFlaps" wrote in message ... When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into controlled space except as part of a flight plan. Where? |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 16, 2:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Well, yes, flight testing for instance. VNE is 10% below a tested dive speed. Alos, as I posted before, some airplanes had an emergency dive speed. Vd. I'd have to look it up to see, though. In any case, it's not a legal limit, it;'s a design limitation. I know one or two jump pilots who drop their load and are back on the deck picking up the next load before the first have all landed |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
george wrote in
: On Feb 16, 2:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Well, yes, flight testing for instance. VNE is 10% below a tested dive speed. Alos, as I posted before, some airplanes had an emergency dive speed. Vd. I'd have to look it up to see, though. In any case, it's not a legal limit, it;'s a design limitation. I know one or two jump pilots who drop their load and are back on the deck picking up the next load before the first have all landed I doubt they're going past VNE, though. No need, really. I wouldn't want to be footing their engine bills, though! Bertie |
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