Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR

On Feb 16, 2:08*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote :



On Feb 15, 9:32*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 15, 12:31*am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

*Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft operating
limitations...

Well, neither one has much to do with a vertical speed limit.

A dive which goes over Vne?

Well, yes, flight testing for instance. VNE is 10% below a tested dive
speed. Alos, as I posted before, some airplanes had an emergency dive
speed. Vd. I'd have to look it up to see, though. In any case, it's not a
legal limit, it;'s a design limitation.


Nope. It's legal from Far 91.7:

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may
operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating
limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight
Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the
certificating authority of the country of registry.

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 16, 2:08*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote
innews:65a90348-2292-42ef-8cdc-c81a6
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On Feb 15, 9:32*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in
news:043b8c97-e1d9-463a-9d5f-
:

On Feb 15, 12:31*am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

*Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft
operating

limitations...

Well, neither one has much to do with a vertical speed limit.

A dive which goes over Vne?

Well, yes, flight testing for instance. VNE is 10% below a tested
dive speed. Alos, as I posted before, some airplanes had an emergency
dive speed. Vd. I'd have to look it up to see, though. In any case,
it's not a legal limit, it;'s a design limitation.


Nope. It's legal from Far 91.7:

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may
operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating
limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight
Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the
certificating authority of the country of registry.

OK, fair enough.

Bertie

On Feb 16, 4:20 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"WingFlaps" wrote in message

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When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into
controlled space except as part of a flight plan.


If the aircraft radio fails in flight under VFR, the pilot in command
may operate that aircraft and land if--

(i) Weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums;

(ii) Visual contact with the tower is maintained; and

(iii) A clearance to land is received.

On Feb 16, 4:14Â*am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 02/15/08 01:53, WingFlaps wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:19�am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

WingFlaps wrote in
:

On Feb 16, 4:14Â*am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 02/15/08 01:53, WingFlaps wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:19�am, Gig 601XL Builder

wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
fligh
t.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are
others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend
(remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must also
not use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict with ATC
unless you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot ascend or
descend into controlled space except as part of a flight plan.

What? You believe that an aircraft with no radio is not allowed to
enter controlled airspace without being on a flight plan?

Can you please provide a reference to that regulation?

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*The descent rate at
or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or
within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots
should think outside the box ;-)

An towered airport is controlled airspace so:

Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate
an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an operational
control tower unless two-way radio communications are maintained
between that aircraft and the control tower. Communications must be
established prior to 4 nautical miles from the airport, up to and
including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the aircraft radio fails in
flight, the pilot in command may operate that aircraft and land if
weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums, visual
contact with the tower is maintained, and a clearance to land is
received. If the aircraft radio fails while in flight under IFR, the
pilot must comply with §91.185.

Flown nordo into controlled fields loads of times..

Not usually a prob. No flight plan either. Just called the tower by
phone before i departed or flew as a flight of two.

Bertie

"WingFlaps" wrote in message
...
On Feb 16, 4:20 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"WingFlaps" wrote in message

...



When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into
controlled space except as part of a flight plan.


If the aircraft radio fails in flight under VFR, the pilot in command
may operate that aircraft and land if--

(i) Weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums;

(ii) Visual contact with the tower is maintained; and

(iii) A clearance to land is received.


?

"WingFlaps" wrote in message
...
On Feb 16, 4:14 am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 02/15/08 01:53, WingFlaps wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:19?am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are
others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend
(remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must also not
use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict with ATC unless
you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into
controlled space except as part of a flight plan.

What? You believe that an aircraft with no radio is not allowed to
enter controlled airspace without being on a flight plan?

Can you please provide a reference to that regulation?

The descent rate at
or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or
within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots should
think outside the box ;-)

An towered airport is controlled airspace so:

Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate
an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an operational
control tower unless two-way radio communications are maintained
between that aircraft and the control tower. Communications must be
established prior to 4 nautical miles from the airport, up to and
including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the aircraft radio fails in
flight, the pilot in command may operate that aircraft and land if
weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums, visual
contact with the tower is maintained, and a clearance to land is
received. If the aircraft radio fails while in flight under IFR, the
pilot must comply with §91.185.




You shouldn't be playing with your daddy's computer.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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You shouldn't be playing with your daddy's computer.




Sorry, but this lame is so past it's sell by date I just couldn't let it go
by without comment.

Since there has been so much interest in trolling and what it is and ins't
these days here's a bit of a primer for those interested in the subject.
Any post slyly left to bait an unwitting fjukkwit is technically a troll.
So, just about everybody who has ever posted on usenet has trolled at one
time or another in whatever modest way. This is a good thing sometimes.
Nothing like geting sucked into a trap to wake you up.
However a schoolyard taunt is just lame and hardly worthy of the title
"troll" and so tarnishes the noble tradition.
having said that, lames are OK if they're multi-leveled and/or serve to
illuminate another aspect of the discussion.
Or if they're funny, of course.


Bertie

On Feb 16, 9:52Â*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote :



On Feb 16, 4:14Â*am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 02/15/08 01:53, WingFlaps wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:19�am, Gig 601XL Builder

wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
fligh
t.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are
others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend
(remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must also
not use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict with ATC
unless you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot ascend or
descend into controlled space except as part of a flight plan.

What? You believe that an aircraft with no radio is not allowed to
enter controlled airspace without being on a flight plan?

Can you please provide a reference to that regulation?

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*The descent rate at
or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or
within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots
should think outside the box ;-)

An towered airport is controlled airspace so:

Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate
an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an operational
control tower unless two-way radio communications are maintained
between that aircraft and the control tower. Communications must be
established prior to 4 nautical miles from the airport, up to and
including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the aircraft radio fails in
flight, the pilot in command may operate that aircraft and land if
weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums, visual
contact with the tower is maintained, and a clearance to land is
received. If the aircraft radio fails while in flight under IFR, the
pilot must comply with §91.185.

Flown nordo into controlled fields loads of times..

Not usually a prob. No flight plan either. Just called the tower by
phone before i departed or flew as a flight of two.


Yes, in my thinking that call to the tower established a plan.

Cheers

On Feb 16, 10:11*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote :



You shouldn't be playing with your daddy's computer.

Sorry, but this lame is so past it's sell by date I just couldn't let it go
by without comment.

Since there has been so much interest in trolling and what it is and ins't
these days here's a bit of a primer for those interested in the subject.
Any post slyly left to bait an unwitting fjukkwit is technically a troll.
So, just about everybody who has ever posted on usenet has trolled at one
time or another in whatever modest way. This is a good thing sometimes.

Keep up the good work, rattle their cages free from the prattle of
mediocrity!

Cheers