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"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message news:jgoodish- It would appear that UPSAT had technology that Garmin did not, which would indicate to me that Garmin was the technological underdog. If there was nothing there for Garmin, they wouldn't have bothered with the aquisition. Most of it isn't the consumer avionics stuff but the ADS-B stuff etc... Never could understand what Brown was doing owning that business anyhow. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... Never could understand what Brown was doing owning that business anyhow. DME replacement. Doesn't explain why they need to own an avionics company. None of the other cargo companies felt it necessary to develop their own avionics. I wrote the wrong thing anyway Ron. What I should have written is "third LRN replacement". Two spinning and one radio give a nice technology cross check and I don't think anyone was making 6 wire distance, from a GPS. John P. Tarver, MS/PE |
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
/snip/ I wrote the wrong thing anyway Ron. /snip/ John, Keep repeating that line to yourself, over and over and over again. The REAL reason Big Brown bought out IIMorrow was for their parcel tracking software. They had been using IIMorrrow's software, and decided it was so good, they wanted to keep development "in house". The Apollo line of avionics was just a nicety to go along with the deal. See http://www.elogisticsmagazine.co.uk/...feature4.shtml about halfway down the page. Quote UPS: "Our decision to sell is based on the fact that our airline has matured and ongoing development and marketing of aviation technology is not part of the long-term strategic direction of UPS," said Tom Weidemeyer, president of UPS Airlines. Happy Flying! Scott Skylane |
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Totally agree, that's why I have a GNS430 Not looking forward to
shelling out $1500 for the WAAS upgrade. $500 for terrain data I can take. You would figure that Honeywell would have some technology sharing in the works... Marco "karl gruber" wrote in message ... ********If you don't like Garmin, go buy a KLN-94, simple as that. There are enough KLN-series GPS units out there to make the Garmin dominance far from a monopoly. ********** Unfortunately, King was slow to the GPS scene and never caught up. The KLN-94 is ANCIENT technology compared to the latest Garmin/Upsat units. Karl Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I don't know how their relative sales volumes were, what the ROI was, etc...
But I do know what I like and increasingly I am/was looking at the UPS line for when I have to stuff the panel on my my RV-7 in 18 months - the CNX-80 had really caught my fancy as the #1 nav/com/vor/gps/ils box with a backup com and a Garmin 196 for nav backup...... I do think their price on the SL-30 / SL-40 was excessive compared to the Garmin stuff... We will never know because uniform pricing will set in very rapidly under single corporate ownership... Denny "Dave Stadt" wrote in message .com... "Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message ... If you can't beat em - buy em! In this case it was......If you can't beat em - sell out to em. "The Customer Suffers" wrote in message ... I'd expect prices to soon go thru the roof, now that they have the monopoly over the aviation GPS market. |
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"Scott Skylane" wrote in message ... Tarver Engineering wrote: /snip/ I wrote the wrong thing anyway Ron. /snip/ John, Keep repeating that line to yourself, over and over and over again. UPS had 2 turning and one radio for LRN and IIMorrow filled their need. The REAL reason Big Brown bought out IIMorrow was for their parcel tracking software. They had been using IIMorrrow's software, and decided it was so good, they wanted to keep development "in house". The Apollo line of avionics was just a nicety to go along with the deal. There was a real need for a GPS Tracor OMEGA replacement and UPS could get what they needed with Apollo. See http://www.elogisticsmagazine.co.uk/...feature4.shtml about halfway down the page. Quote UPS: "Our decision to sell is based on the fact that our airline has matured and ongoing development and marketing of aviation technology is not part of the long-term strategic direction of UPS," said Tom Weidemeyer, president of UPS Airlines. I doubt UPS ever had any interest in providing avionics to small GA. John P. Tarver, MS/PE |
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Snowbird wrote: wrote in message ... The Customer Suffers wrote: I'd expect prices to soon go thru the roof, now that they have the monopoly over the aviation GPS market. I think you meant to say light aircraft GPS market. No high end biz jets or airliners have Garmin equipment. Compared to what the big boys use, the Garmin 530 is a stubborn toy. So, what do the "high end biz jets" use? Per acquaintance flying Falcons w/ airline pilot friends, his equipment was far better than theirs. Judging from what I'd seen peeking through cockpit doors, would have to agree. No doubt, there are more state-of-the-art biz jets than there are airliners. Two high-end airliners that come to mind are the 777 and latest 737. But, even the "so so" airliners are legions ahead of light aircraft. The best avionics suite today would include: 1. Triple IRUs as the primary position and attitude platform. 2. Dual FMS/LNAV-VNAV systems with augmentation of the IRU mixed postion sensor in order of perference: GPS, DME/DME, and way down the list, VOR/DME. Many of these aircraft have scanning DMEs that can "see" up to 10 DME stations virtually at the same time. 3.Dual, independent navdatabases, with acess to airways and jet routes by typing in flight-plan sequence logic; i.e., LAX.LOOP1.DAG.J134.STL 4. Autoflight system, with dual, independent, stall protected autothrottles systems, and capability to fly RF legs (radius-to-fix legs). Dual, independent flight directors. 5. EVS. 6. Electronic flight bag, including approach charts and aircraft handbook. |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:19:41 -0500, "Dan Luke"
c172rgATbellsouthDOTnet wrote: "Lenny Sawyer" wrote: Big news... Hard to see how this can be anything but bad news for GA aircraft owners. UPS was the only one keeping any real pressure on Garmin in the NAV/COM/GPS market. It will be interesting to see what happens to the UPSAT products. Will they suffer the Not Invented Here stigma and die a lingering death? And folks here were just recently lamenting the end-of-life for the GPS-90 handheld database updates... I'm kinda glad now that I didn't buy that GX-55 panel-mount last autumn. |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:09:31 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
Neal wrote: And folks here were just recently lamenting the end-of-life for the GPS-90 handheld database updates... I'm kinda glad now that I didn't buy that GX-55 panel-mount last autumn. I've got a Garmin 90. I havn't updated the database since the day I got it (7 years ago?). I carry it for emergency navigation. The airports havn't moved since then, which is mostly what I'm interested in. There's the odd navaid or intersection that's changed, but for the most part, this stuff just doesn't change that quickly. For primary IFR navigation, sure you need an up to date database. Especially for approaches. But for emergency backup? Hardly. If you use one for even just VFR, you really need current airport identifiers. In the past year and a half, there's been about a half dozen or more airport identifier changes and/or airports that have closed completely, within a hundred miles of my home base. In an emergency in unfamiliar territory when you hit that NRST button and it steers you towards that airport that shows to be in gliding range, and you turn that direction and establish your glide only to find a brand new neighborhood full of freshly built houses instead of a runway... |
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