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Mark,

There are no WMD, period.

Heh heh heh... I get a kick out of people who trust Saddam more than
GWB.


Uh, and GWB claims to have found them?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

C,

You need to learn to read!

Here we have guys like you saying that CIA was too
alarmist about WMD in Iraq, but not alarmist enough about 9/11.


Didn't say that with one word. Not the first part, not the second. All
I'm saying is that Bush and his administration lied. And that's both
pretty much accepted and admitted.

Didn't say the US was losing the war, either. I just said that to claim
the war was won is ridiculous.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Blueskies,

What war? Did we declare war?


;-) Ok, how about "conflict"? Or "police action"? Oh wait, those have
been used before. "War on Terrorism", that's the ticket. Sounds much
like the "war on drugs", and everybody knows how great that worked out.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:10:39 -0800, Rich S. wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Rich

Not sure where you got your figures?

I ended up in the early occupation forces in Japan.

When the Emperor said quit they did.

I felt safer in the middle of a Japanesse city at midnight (I was a
Provost Marshal as an additonal duty and we kept a presence 24/7) than I
do at high noon in Wshington, D.C.

I have read reports of this for years. While I wasn't there, they seem
bona fide. Try http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000310.html for
instance (just something I Googled up quickly).

Rich S.

Sure, there were a few Japanese soldiers on various Pacific islands who
preferred to live like hermits than to come home to the humiliation of
defeat. But I have never seen any info that they killed any significant
number of occupying troops. The situation in Iraq appears to be very
different from the situation in Japan or Germany after WWII ended.

--
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Ottawa, Canada
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And there are Army bases whose commanders have had to order troops not
to wear uniforms offbase because the locals don't treat the military
well.

This would be a lot easier to believe with a few details that could
be checked against other sources.

Which bases do you have in mind and how many have been killed off base in
the last year just because they were servicemen?

My son graduated basic at the Air Force base in San Antonio, TX. in Feb.,
2003 and the graduates were ordered to wear civilian clothes off-base
because of a documented incident involving locals harassing servicemen.
Incidentally, the harasses were Air Force. The harassers were immediately
accosted by USMC (military police) trainees and, shall we say, deterred. Did
y'all know that San Antonio is the home of the U.S. Military Police training
base as well as the U.S. Military Police Historical Museum?


Al Mills

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Big John...........

Better read the post again, pal - and this time pay special attention to the
attribution () marks. You are attributing Borchert's opinions to me.

NOT!

Rich S.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:40:32 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war.


I am German. I am quite well educated in my country's history (I can
point at Iraq on a map, too). Your above statement is total BS.

Y'know, I once asked the a couple graduates of Germany's Realschulen
and Gesamtschulen (arguably much, much better than the public schools
in the U.S.) what they knew of World War II.

One of them told me that his study of history included a curriculum
which reached the point of Hitler's rise to Chancellor of the Weimar
Republic. Next day, they were talking about Konrad Adenauer. [1]
Skipped that embarrassing war altogether.

Therefore, I doubt your good education in your country's history
included the things these people are talking about.

No fear, though, American students, if they learn history at all,
never for a minute hear about the United States' failed invasion of
Russia in the early 20th Century.

Rob
[1] Adenauer was one of the first leaders of the Federal Republic of
Germany.

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

Robert,

One of them told me that his study of history included a curriculum
which reached the point of Hitler's rise to Chancellor of the Weimar
Republic. Next day, they were talking about Konrad Adenauer. [1]
Skipped that embarrassing war altogether.


This story has no basis in fact, at all. It is simply impossible that
you have experienced that, unless it was during the 50s - where we
didn't have Gesamtschulen. You're either a liar or you have been lied
to - sorry!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Rich,


Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war.



I am German. I am quite well educated in my country's history (I can
point at Iraq on a map, too). Your above statement is total BS.

How OLD a German are you? If you were born after about 1935, you don't
know as much as you think you know, having obtained your education in
your country's history following the imposition of laws restricting the
dissemination of information on the NSDAP.

I remember in the 1960s when the German scientists in my neighborhood
would greet new arrivals and tell them that they had to tell their kids
the truth about the National Socialists and recent German history,
because these subjects were covered to a far greater extent in
California schools than they had been in the German schools.

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Ian,


You base this on what experience, training or inspiration?



Well, then we're really glad to have you, since YOUR opinion is the
only one that really counts.

Nice dodge!

And it DOES answer the question . . .in the negative, or you would cite
the basis.