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Bill Daniels wrote:
Eric presents a reasonable picture of the glider market. In fact, I think the present glider market is about right. There is a market for state-of-the-art gliders for competition and a flourishing market in used gliders. A person of modest means can buy a 20 year old glass glider with spectacular performance. That 20 year old glider wouldn't be such a bargain on the used market if some competition pilot hadn't bought it for an astronomical sum when it was new. We need to stop knocking competition, it creates a market of really neat used gliders. When I started, if you wanted a high performance glider, you had to build it. By comparison, this market is nirvana. The availability and cost of gliders isn't the real problem. One of the many problems that does need attention is training costs. Rental and airtow make getting a glider rating cost more than a private power certificate in many locations. It's also a LOT more hassle to get glider training because of the short flights and long waits. For anyone interested in aviation but who hasn't chosen whether to go for soaring or another aviation related activity, this is a problem. Glider training costs, particularly the overall hourly rates, just don't look reasonable by comparison. Now, I'm NOT suggesting that anyone is overcharging for rentals or air tows. It costs what is does for very good reasons. It's just that those reasons are not apparent to the newcomer. I think it might be a good idea to take a long hard look at the training "experience" from the students point of view to see if there isn't something that could be done to make it more attractive. The first thing I would suggest is to look at winch launch for training. Bill Daniels "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ... Lennie the Lurker wrote: Almost every sailplane made today is made with the competitor in mind, and the manufacturers aren't going to listen to any suggestion that maybe something more pedestrian might sell. There is some truth to this claim, but it's more complicated than the manufacturers "not listening". They know their gliders must do well in competition (at least the major factories), because potential buyers think this is important, even though the majority of buyers aren't serious competitors (note that the majority of the German sailplane production is now motorized). There are some "second-tier" gliders, like the reintroduction of the Glasflugel 304, the Russia AC-4, Apis, and Silent; however, any new glider that isn't a top-of-the-line glider has some serious competition in the market: used gliders. Glider last a long time, and the performance improvements have been slow, so a new glider that isn't better, just cheaper, has to compete with equal performance, even cheaper used gliders. This situation is quite different from the hang glider market, where the gliders wear out much sooner, and the improvements from year to year are much greater than they are for sailplanes. and the manufacturers aren't going to listen to any suggestion that maybe something more pedestrian might sell. Just join a thread ripping apart the PW5 to see how something "more pedestrian" might sell. The PW5 actually has sold OK, as did the Russia, and so that may be why we now have the Apis and Silent (at least in part). Attitudes are slowly changing, and "moderate" performance is becoming more acceptable. The manufacturers would probably build more intermediate gliders if the sport was growing fast enough to drive up the price of the used gliders, thus making a new glider of similar performance profitable enough to be worthwhile. -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA Hi Eric Got to second that. I really can't understand why winch is not used more, it is cheaper, faster and in some ways safer than aerotow. There is no comparison in terms of profitability for the club. A good winch is a license to print money in most clubs, and a fraction of the cost for the pilots. Even our old lump can throw 30 launches a day to 1500"+ at a cost of under $4 per launch - and make a profit doing it. |
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