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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
"Reggie" wrote in message ... Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association???? The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the EAA magizine. To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and more directly than any other organization. Vaughn |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message ... "Reggie" wrote in message ... Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association???? The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the EAA magizine. To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and more directly than any other organization. Vaughn Vaughn: I'm missing something. How does the word Experimental tie into Warbirds, Classics, and Light Sport? What category do the factory built "Experimental" gliders fall under? Exhibition? It seems to me that EAA is really flying under false colors. A more representative name eludes me but it sure wouldn't be Experimental based on what I see in the magazine and the EAA video from Oshkosh as well as the focus every year at show center. Indeed one year the EAA video did not even mention the award winners, but did have Mooneys and Beechcraft aircraft shown. I do agree that EAA does the best job in defending us from our "Elected" Representatives and because of that reason alone I maintain my membership. Stu |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
"Scott" wrote in message .. . I didn't mind the old Experimenter, but when the name and content changed to Light Sport, they lost me... Scott That precisely summed up my reaction as well. Peter |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message ... "Reggie" wrote in message ... Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association???? The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the EAA magizine. To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and more directly than any other organization. I believe that the main categories of "Experimental" airworthiness certificates are Exhibition, Air Racing, Amateur built, Market Survey - sales demonstration, research and development. I don't believe that Light Sport is part of this system. "War Birds" fall in Exhibition and/or Air Racing as do many competition sailplanes. R&D/Market Survey are normally pre-production version of aircraft intended for standard airworthiness certificates. Of course classic/antique aircraft must be maintained in accordance with their standard airworthiness certificate. Even though the EAA was instrumental as a lobbying agency for the Light Sports Aircraft and the transition of ultra-light aircraft to the light sport category; light sports aviation's birth has been completed and is live, well and growingl. The successful growth of LSA is no longer dependant on the EAA. It would appear to me that the EAA should return to a balance between Exhibition, Air Racing, Amateur Built, and classic/antique. Isn't this the organizations legacy? I also believe it is the organizations future. Wayne HP-14 N990 http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and more directly than any other organization. Vaughn Very true, and they still do a decent job of it. In addition, the chapters continue to accomplish a lot of the tasks that fell to the magazines before there were so many chapters. Peter |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote in message .. . "Vaughn Simon" wrote in message ... "Reggie" wrote in message ... Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association???? The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the EAA magizine. To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and more directly than any other organization. Vaughn Vaughn: I'm missing something. How does the word Experimental tie into Warbirds, Classics, and Light Sport? What category do the factory built "Experimental" gliders fall under? Exhibition? It seems to me that EAA is really flying under false colors. A more representative name eludes me but it sure wouldn't be Experimental based on what I see in the magazine and the EAA video from Oshkosh as well as the focus every year at show center. Indeed one year the EAA video did not even mention the award winners, but did have Mooneys and Beechcraft aircraft shown. I do agree that EAA does the best job in defending us from our "Elected" Representatives and because of that reason alone I maintain my membership. Stu I believe that you are missing two things: 1) Amateur Built is only the largest, and possibly the best known, sub category of Experimental. IIRC, most of the the warbirds fall into Exhibition. But, AFAIK, just about anything that is permitted to fly, and does not quite fit any other category, is likely to be Experimental. 2) The chapters are a very big part of the EAA, and are home to a lot of assistance and expertise--in addition to plain old encouragement and comaraderie. They can also provide linkage to a lot of "home office" expertise--and many maintain libraries of back issues and caches of tools, clecos, etc. BTW, there are also chapters of the IAC (International Aerobatic Club) and also Warbird chapters which are also part of EAA, but not part of the basic EAA chapter list. So the "broader audience" part is far from being the whole story! Peter |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
I missed something (probably obvious), but what do Classics, warbirds
and (some LSA) have to do with "experimental" per se? My take is that an experimental (amateur built) plane is defined as one BUILT by the owner for educational purposes. It would be nice to have an organizational leader who has built an experimental amateur built airplane, but it isn't absolutely necessary for leading an organization of experimental amateur builders... Scott Vaughn Simon wrote: "Reggie" wrote in message ... Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association???? The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the EAA magizine. To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and more directly than any other organization. Vaughn -- Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
On Feb 26, 10:33*pm, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
A Cirrus? *You gotta be kidding me. I know, this is a quarterly topic for discussion, but I swear, EAA is becoming AOPA. *I guess it pays better or something. *When was the last warbird article in Sport Aviation? *OK, how 'bout the last restoration of an antique by the owner (not by someone who wrote a bunch of checks). Very disappointing. It's worse than the cover there is an entire article on flying the Cirrus. I understand that they are offering one as a prize but I don't remember flight reports for the Cessnas, Pipers and Huskys they used to offer. I am sure they look kindly on Cirrus because of its roots in Homebuilding but I dare you to find any mention of homebuilding or kitplanes on the Cirrus website. On page 83 is one photo and a paragraph describing a PA-12 that took Reserve Grand Champion in the Seaplane category last year. I remember that after Oshkosh there would be one issue devoted almost fully to the show and then over the next year each Grand and Reserve Champion in the major categories (Homebuilt, Kitbuilt, Warbird, Antique and Classic) got a full length article. That would be enough articles to put more than one in every issue till the next show. I haven't seen that in some time. I still support EAA and look forward to the day I can start building a Pober Super Ace with a Moravia in line four engine. I think that EAA does combine enough disparate groups that would not receive near the attention they can as part of this organization. I will send essentially a copy of this post to the EAA this weekend. John Dupre' |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message ... "Reggie" wrote in message ... Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association???? The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). snip Homebuilt Aviation Association was considered back in 1953 when the name was adopted. The "nameing" committee settled upon the "Experimental" Aviation Association, since all homebuilt aircraft were licensed in a category of the experimental classification that was created by the FAA especially for us. That category is "Experimental - Amateur Built" and is what made the EAA possible. Only "homebuilt" aircraft are eligible for certification in t his special category. Warbirds and Classics are not. Highflyer, EAA#9135 |
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The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?
On Feb 28, 5:36 pm, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote: "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote in messagenews:NsGdnZsLjud3bFvanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@iwvis p.com... The problem that I see is that any time you try to be something for everybody you end up with something that is kind nothing for anyone. Same with the magazine. I don't put the EAA magazine in that category, and never have. It is a magazine that seems pointed directly at the center of gravity of the EAA membership. Judging from the volume of ad copy, the folks who really matter (the advertisers) agree. For decades, it has been one of the first magazines that I pick up every month. The only Aviation magazine that regularly beats it (in terms of my personal interest) is "Air & Space". That said, I agree that it is no airplane homebuilding magazine, and perhaps EAA needs to adjust its mix of specialty publications. As publisher/editor of Experimental Helo magazine we are very aware of this trap and have focussed our efforts. Which must be why EAA has a mix of 5 focused magazines in addition to "Sport Aviation". Vaughn Which is why I quit EAA. You had to join them at expense and then join the subgroup at more expense to get the other ones. All amateur written and edited pubs too and often not very readable. The EAA is the Poberezny Family Endeavor pure and simple.. I agree they do SOME good but they are not terribly cost effective IMO. Except at enriching themselves. |
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