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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack Linthicum" wrote in message om... I have a question: what was/is the policy on use of ANG airplanes? I have seen several bios that stated George Bush used an F-102 to fly to Florida for a plant business he was involved in. I presume he did the usual flight plan and landed at a military installation. What would be the policy, local or ANG, to a Guard pilot using one of the unit's planes for something not demonstrably Guard duty? And does/did it happen as a regular thing? It was demonstrably Guard duty, in all likelihood. Pilots had to fly certain hours, and often the destinations were left up to them. My brother returned from Vietnam and flew Hueys for the ARNG; he flew down to the airport near our house on one flight so we could come out and meet his crew and look over the helo. On another occasion he flew a few orbits over a Little League baseball game I was playing in. Hours were hours, unless they were scheduled to participate in some kind of collective training event. I believe AC pilots sometimes do the same thing, even today--there was a case a few years back where an F-14 pilot flew back to his hometown, landed and met his family, then departed and tragically piled it in. Sure, last summer there was an Apache pilot who apparently had friends/family/business in the local area and flew down once a week for a month or more. There are frequently various military aircraft in the transient area of the airport: fighters, trainers and more often Prowlers than you might guess. When you training requires you rack up those miles going *some where*, you might as well make it a worth while trip. |
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For that matter, I once had a meeting in Portland, ME, with a fellow from Bango who'd used his "Company Car" to get to the meeting - An ANG F-101B. When I was in the army, I regularly went out to the nearest military airport with a three-day pass or two-week furlough and hitched a ride home or to a tourist destination, wherever the lads were going. More often than not, it was three guys in a C-119 who themselves were on a joy-ride for the weekend or two weeks. Training missions. At this moment, there's a company in Texas cutting up the world's only XC-99 transport and "palletizing" it. It will be taken in bits & pieces to Wright-Patt by C-5A as planes & crews are available. Those are training missions, too. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"David E. Powell" wrote in message ws.com...
"Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. "Paul J. Adam" wrote: In message m, David E. Powell writes Third. did the F-102 have a gun or just internal missiles in a weapon bay? Falcon missiles (six IIRC) in the bay, plus 24 x 2.75" rockets (launch tubes in the bay doors). From memory there were twelve tubes each with two rockets nose-to-tail: this was sometimes downloaded to twelve, and F-102s in Vietnam did some very light ground attack (using their IR sensor to find targets like campfires and the rockets to engage). My recollections may be at variance with the facts, so check before using Thanks! I hadn't known about the 2.75 rockets, sounds like the F-94 Scorpion. The Falcon must have been a decent missile, the -106s and other fighters used them into the 80s and early 90s. The Northrop Scorpion was the F-89; the F-94 was the Lockheed Starfire. Both carried 2.75 inch unguided rockets: the Scorpion in wingtip pods that also carried jet fuel, and the Starfire in the aircraft's nose and in small pods halfway out on the wings. Peter Wezeman anti-social Darwinist Suddenly, Jacques found himself looking down the barrel of George's Hyper-Power. |
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Cub Driver wrote:
Dan, I've got an electronic Copy of the F-102S Standard Aircraft Characteristics Chart. Would that be useful to you? Among other things, it includes graphical representations of the flight enveloped adn stuff like speed/range tradeoffs. Pete, that would be great. Send email to and I'll reply with my home address. Thanks! For those interested in Flight Manuals, -1 (Dash Ones) Technical Instructions and AOI's (Aircraft Operating Instructions) and others try www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com they look quite complete, are on CD's for around 20 bucks US. I have the Dash One for the Argus coming. Only place I've ever seen it offered. -- -Gord. |
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FWIW the 102 could be fired automatically (by the computer) or
manually - pilot squeezed the trigger. In either case he had to use the trigger. In auto mode he kept the steering dot centred and at 20 seconds to go the timing circle tarted collapsing, he touched up the steering, and the computer sent the firing signal through the trigger switch to the selected armament. Best Pk for missiels was about a 70 degree crossing angle - unless the target was dropping chaff. Then it was down the nose or up the tail. The best automatic rocket pass was a crossing angle of 90 to about 110 degrees. The higher the speed ratio between interceptor and target the lesser the miss distance on a rocket pass. On a 0 or 180 crossing angle the miss distance was about the distance the rockets dropped due to gravity during their flight time of about 1.5 seconds. IE not much. Also FWIW there was no speed limit on firing ordnance. The Deuces converted to carry the Fat Falcon (AIM26) lost the rockets normally carried in the two inner doors because of the increased girth of the nuke missile(s), which were only carried on the inner launchers. Cross- countrys - we were supposed to take at least 4 XCs every six months. Of course you could take more if nobody wanted to go (rare!). IN ADC we stopped at our war-time recovery bases to exercise the trooops in turning around a Deuce. We also went almost anywhere we could get 3000 psi air for a start. One wingco nitcied 'his' aircraft scattered all over the US on a weekend and promptly put out an edict that we could go no more than two hops from home (KC, MO). Much grousing until one troop idly scanning our wall-sized map commented "Two hops? With tanks we can get to Puerto Rico or Alaska in two hops!" Grousing stopped. Nellis (Las Vegas) was a favorite stop - just one hop even with a clean bird from RG AFB. Deuce was a good XC bird - autopilot, altitude hold, heading hold; could cruise clean at .93 and 46000 if you weren't interested in getting max range out of it. Back then only the 106 and the Navy F8 (2000 pounds more fuel) could outcruise it. Nice aircraft, nice radar, wimpy missiles, no gun. (Although my bird did hit a Firebee with a single obsolete Gar1 radar Falcon. Killed the mother even though the warhead fuzing had been disabled. Hit it squarely in the middle.) Walt BJ |
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Nice post, thanks. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:11:59 GMT, "David E. Powell"
wrote: The Falcon must have been a decent missile, the -106s and other fighters used them into the 80s and early 90s. The book "Sidewinder" is rather scathing about "competition" from the Falcon development team. An interesting contrast. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557509514/codesmiths It's an excellent read BTW - especially if you're a project manager in any sort of technology company. |
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"peter wezeman" wrote in message m... "David E. Powell" wrote in message ws.com... "Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. "Paul J. Adam" wrote: In message m, David E. Powell writes Third. did the F-102 have a gun or just internal missiles in a weapon bay? Falcon missiles (six IIRC) in the bay, plus 24 x 2.75" rockets (launch tubes in the bay doors). From memory there were twelve tubes each with two rockets nose-to-tail: this was sometimes downloaded to twelve, and F-102s in Vietnam did some very light ground attack (using their IR sensor to find targets like campfires and the rockets to engage). My recollections may be at variance with the facts, so check before using Thanks! I hadn't known about the 2.75 rockets, sounds like the F-94 Scorpion. The Falcon must have been a decent missile, the -106s and other fighters used them into the 80s and early 90s. The Northrop Scorpion was the F-89; the F-94 was the Lockheed Starfire. Both carried 2.75 inch unguided rockets: the Scorpion in wingtip pods that also carried jet fuel, and the Starfire in the aircraft's nose and in small pods halfway out on the wings. if you will check, the 89 carried various armament, depending on the model, including .50 cal, AIM 4s and 2.75s and the Genie Rocket(AIR2A). |
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