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Old August 4th 05, 02:30 AM
tony roberts
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Default Washington DC airspace closing for good?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050804/...al_restricted_
airspace


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Old August 4th 05, 02:51 AM
George Patterson
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tony roberts wrote:

Looks like it.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50803adiz.html

George Patterson
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Old August 4th 05, 03:09 AM
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It's incredibly stupid, but it is not, as the topic suggests, a proposal to
close DC airspace. I assume it is a proposal to make the ADIZ permanent.

Michael


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Old August 4th 05, 04:12 AM
George Patterson
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Michael 182 wrote:
It's incredibly stupid, but it is not, as the topic suggests, a proposal to
close DC airspace. I assume it is a proposal to make the ADIZ permanent.


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace. That
effectively closes it to many of us.

George Patterson
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Old August 4th 05, 08:36 AM
Larry Dighera
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in [email protected]::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace. That
effectively closes it to many of us.


The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.
Perhaps there are so many authorized flights using the airspace now,
that it is too congested to permit effective radar tracking of primary
targets. If so, perhaps a new radar installation might be more
effective.

One wonders how flights originating within the airspace, and
congressional commuters will be handled when it becomes Restricted.


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Old August 4th 05, 10:34 AM
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in [email protected]::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace.
That
effectively closes it to many of us.


The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.


Crap.

http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

moo


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Old August 4th 05, 03:47 PM
Larry Dighera
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:34:59 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote in ::

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in [email protected]::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace.
That
effectively closes it to many of us.


The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.


Crap.


Oh, no thank you.


http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.


While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

moo


Oh. And here I expected to be debating with a non bovine airman. Oh
well...
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Old August 4th 05, 02:56 PM
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Hm...I just read the proposed changes and I don't see that:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...4adiz-nprm.pdf

Am I missing something here?

What I read is that the current adiz requirements would be made
permanent. Where does it deviate from that?

This PDF hadn't been linked to the AOPA article last night, so I went
to bed thinking my flying days were effectively over after reading your
post.

Now, after reading it, I think its what Michael said it is, a proposal
to make the ADIZ permanent.

I fly out of leesburg. The proceedures are really not that dificult or
time consuming for a plane with mode C:

-Call Flight service and file an ADIZ FP prior to flight. Five minutes
and can be done while driving to airport.

-Call CD prior to takeing off to get a code and departure freq.

-Call ATC and remain in contact after leaving the pattern (no need to
call if you are staying in the pattern)

-BC

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Old August 4th 05, 03:43 PM
Larry Dighera
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On 4 Aug 2005 06:56:26 -0700, wrote in
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What I read is that the current adiz requirements would be made
permanent. Where does it deviate from that?


AOPA says it will be a restricted area:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50803adiz.html
AOPA will oppose an FAA proposal scheduled for release tomorrow
that would codify flight restrictions in the Washington, D.C.,
metropolitan area. The restricted area would replace the current
air defense identification zone (ADIZ). It would receive a
brand-new designation, "National Defense Airspace," and cover
nearly 2,000 square miles around Washington, D.C., extending to an
altitude of 18,000 feet.


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Old August 4th 05, 04:36 PM
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Yes. I saw the AOPA language. But the actual proposal contains this
language:

We believe that as part of ensuring the
security of the people, property and
institutions in the Nation's capital, and
surrounding area, it is essential to know
the intended route of flight of the
aircraft, to have the aircraft squawk a
discrete transponder code, and to have
automatic altitude reporting equipment
on board the aircraft that transmits to
ATC. Government officials believe that
some types of aircraft operations (i.e.,
those conducted under parts 91, 101,
103, 105, 125, 133, 135 and 137) should
continue to be prohibited within 15
miles of the DCA VOR/DME, unless
specifically authorized by the FAA in
consultation with the DoD and DHS.

and this language:

Who Is Potentially Affected by This
Rulemaking?
Private Sector
All aircraft would have to be
transponder equipped when entering
the proposed DC SFRA and maintain
two-way communications while flying
in the proposed area. Pilots operating in
accordance with visual flight rules
(VFR) would have to file flight plans to
fly within the proposed DC SFRA.
There are approximately 150 airports
in the proposed DC ADIZ. Given the
additional requirements that general
aviation pilots face, the FAA is
concerned that many of these airports
would have fewer operations. In some
cases, some of these pilots may elect to
use alternate nearby airports outside of
the proposed DC SFRA.

Indeed, I read through the entire proposal, and I can't find anything
that
makes the restrictions worse. Indeed, It seems to loosen the
restrictions
for "Special Egress Procedures for Fringe Airports", specifically
"Airlie,
Albrecht, Harris, Martin, Martin State, Meadows, Mylander, Stewart, St.
John,
Tilghman Whipp, Upperville, and Wolf airports", by allowing folks those
pilots
to use a specific transponder code and not require them to contact ATC.
Of
course, I've only heard of two of these airports...Upperville, which is
private
and always deserted (CIA?) and Airlie...which is a grass strip that I
and
children went on a demo flight in a 1930's era biplane several years
ago. I
digress.

I hope I'm reading this correctly. I worked three gruelling years
getting my
ticket, and shutting down GA flights out of leesburg would essentially
render
flying impractical for me.

-BC

 




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