Hello Dahli

"JohnH" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I'm torn between laughter and incredulity.

Would you feel the same if it were the pope?

Yes -- although the Pope has some credibility behind his
quasi-diplomatic status.

I don't know what's worse -- having second-rate politicians thinking
that they're better than the rest of us, or having "men of the cloth"
thinking the same thing.

Agreed. WRT politicians, whatever became of the concept of "all men
created equal"?
Well, first of all it's "created", and second, people have always had a
tendency to deify the tribal leaders/kings/politicians.

Of course, the politicians and high priests have always done everything they
can to encourage that behavior.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I'm torn between laughter and incredulity.

Would you feel the same if it were the pope?

Yes -- although the Pope has some credibility behind his quasi-diplomatic
status.

I don't know what's worse -- having second-rate politicians thinking that
they're better than the rest of us, or having "men of the cloth" thinking
the same thing.

That's the story of the last 10,000 years of human history, going all the
way back to witch doctors and shamans along side tribal leaders.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Just another day in the wonderful world of aviation...

You were held up at public airport for the *Dahli Llama*? In Arizona,
USA?

That's even worse than being held up for John Edwards last year in Des
Moines!

I'm torn between laughter and incredulity.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

C'mon Jay ... Apples and Oranges,

I was not held up...and there was no official "Ground Stop."

Your experience with John Edwards was caused by the Secret Service. I was
asked politely by a beat cop if I would mind waiting five extra minutes
until the delegation was on board their plane. And, if I hadn't been
otherwise engaged with photography matters, I would have been long gone
before his convoy (all of 2 cars and two police SUVs) got to the ramp.

In fact, I taxied out right behind the G-V and could have done a lot more
damage to his plane with a spinning prop than I could have standing a couple
hundred yards away watching while he boarded.

The man is a guest in our country (in general) and in MY state in particular
.... Personally, I'd rather give the Dahli Llama five minutes than give
anyone a chance to think that Americans (in general) and GA pilots in
particular are ignorant, arrogant and uncooperative.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

That's even worse than being held up for John Edwards last year in Des
Moines!

C'mon Jay ... Apples and Oranges,

I was not held up...and there was no official "Ground Stop."

I understand. But while it's true that no leathernecks with machine guns
stopped you from approaching your aircraft (as happened to my family when a
two-bit politician was "expected" to arrive "any minute" in Des Moines last
year), the implications and results are similar.

I'm sure the Dahli Llama is a heckuva nice guy -- most religious people
are -- and I'm glad you didn't mind the inconvenience. But that doesn't
change the fact that the whole affair was a ridiculous (albeit small)
infringement upon your personal freedom.

... Personally, I'd rather give the Dahli Llama five minutes than give
anyone a chance to think that Americans (in general) and GA pilots in
particular are ignorant, arrogant and uncooperative.

I'd have probably done the same thing as you -- being polite and cooperative
with the police comes naturally for most of us.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:56:49 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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I'm sure the Dahli Llama is a heckuva nice guy -- most religious people
are --

The Catholic pedo, er... priests are nearly saintly. :-)

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:56:49 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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I'm sure the Dahli Llama is a heckuva nice guy -- most religious people
are --

The Catholic pedo, er... priests are nearly saintly. :-)

I recall seeing an interview with the Dalai Lama, I think on
60 minutes, some years ago. I was very impressed at the
intelligence and thoughtfulness of the man. His remarks
were always very direct, no double talk mumbo-jumbo. For a
religious leader he was very down to earth and personable.
No holier-than-thou attitude.

Brian
--
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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That's even worse than being held up for John Edwards last year in Des
Moines!

C'mon Jay ... Apples and Oranges,

I was not held up...and there was no official "Ground Stop."

I understand. But while it's true that no leathernecks with machine guns
stopped you from approaching your aircraft (as happened to my family when
a two-bit politician was "expected" to arrive "any minute" in Des Moines
last year), the implications and results are similar.

No they're not. I was never prevented from accessing the ramp or my
aircraft and I was not told I couldn't fire up and taxi out. I was asked
something, not told. In fact, had I not walked out to my plane, and just
sat right where I was on the "back porch" of the Tucson Executive Terminal,
I probably would have been able to get some really good photos. But had
they asked me to not use my camera, I would have complied as I was not there
in any official press capacity. Now, if I was "working press" that's a
whole different matter...

I'm sure the Dahli Llama is a heckuva nice guy -- most religious people
are -- and I'm glad you didn't mind the inconvenience. But that doesn't
change the fact that the whole affair was a ridiculous (albeit small)
infringement upon your personal freedom.

I disagree. This was not a moment to invoke the second coming of Thomas
Payne.

... Personally, I'd rather give the Dahli Llama five minutes than give
anyone a chance to think that Americans (in general) and GA pilots in
particular are ignorant, arrogant and uncooperative.

I'd have probably done the same thing as you -- being polite and
cooperative with the police comes naturally for most of us.

The heck with the cop! Any idea just how bad your karma could get if you
mess with the #1 Budhist in the world !??!

Jay B

Jay Beckman wrote:

The heck with the cop! Any idea just how bad your karma could get if you
mess with the #1 Budhist in the world !??!

He'd be a grasshopper in his next life.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.