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  #71  
Old September 21st 10, 05:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Ari Silverstein
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:51:36 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.


It tells me that you claims to be an "wealthy, accomplished abstract
artist" are as full of **** as you are.
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  #72  
Old September 21st 10, 01:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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On Sep 21, 12:14*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:11*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11*pm, wrote:


No sir. That's just an opinion. May I have one?


Sure, you can have a clueless opinion.


Cite.


Your last one.


See corroberrating link which proves otherwise.


Gibberish.


Does the phrase, "not visible to the naked eye" mean anything
to you?


Maybe that's why things other than naked eye inspection are used.


--
Jim Pennino


Ok. I'm listening.


You're saying an annual inspection of an antique plane
can verifiably determine all inner structures, cables, pulleys
(or push rods ) struts, etc. won't fail? (I'm not arguing here)


Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.


I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.


Then why ask the question?


That's different from understanding what may be hidden
on an old metal plane I'm not familiar with.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.


See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.


I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.


No Ercoupes fell out ot the sky before the AD to add inspection plates.


I've not checked the accident statistics, but ok. And you're
willing to bank your life on inspection plates?

( A little aside here, I posed this same question one frosty morning
to my CFI during my preflight check. While doing the usual
check of control surfaces, their mobility and connections I
asked, "what about the stuff we can't see", and he said,
"during inspections use these access areas here". I asked,
"and what about the areas that aren't visible through those
holes?", and he replied, "Well, ya know, anyone that flys
has to take a chance and assume the rest is in good
condition." That was ok with me, and off I flew.)

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.


I already know that.


Then why ask the question?


Frankly I was referring to the old metal planes, but I'm
glad you've mentioned this point. See, what it is, there have
been several people offer me good deals on some old
planes but I've shyed away, because they are old.

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.


Bull****.


Whadda ya mean bull****? I may be a lot of things, but
a liar isn't one of them. One particular crash which comes
to mind was a businessman in Florida. So don't tell me
bulll**** unless you've read and memorized every single
Faa accident report. His plane broke up in mid-air. It was
some guy very popular.

GA airplanes don't break apart unless the pilot does something really
stupid that exceeds design limits.


Or he bought a kit plane off someone, or he built it himself
and screwed up the epoxy, or...etc.

When tge fabric is replaced, the structure is (supposed to be) inspected for,
as appropriate, corrosion or rot. You did know many of those "antique"
airplanes have wood structures?


Yes. New homebuilts have wood as well.


Also, there are high tech things like magnaflux inspection for starters.


Ok, finally, you're telling me something I'm not familiar with.


Tell the truth; have you ever actually been on a GA airport?


Come on Jim, stop being such an ass. I belong to a flight
school.


Lord help us all.


Agreed.

So you see, I'm a newbee in the cockpit


Obviuosly.


Hey, I'm not ashamed of that. You ( if you really fly) were
too once. We all gotta start somewhere. And for the record,
I get a lot of compliments on my flying.

I'm a natural.

vast knowledge in other areas of aviation. And I have


Not in evidence.


Yes, once again I agree. We've not discussed these areas
here. But I've corrected you a time or two.

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  #73  
Old September 21st 10, 02:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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On Sep 21, 12:19*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:17*pm, wrote:
Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.


Surrre they did, because obviously researchers cannot
find work, and no one really wanted to accomplish these
world records. LOL!


Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.


Does the word, "medicine" mean anything to you?
Does the word, "military" mean anything to you?
Does the acronym "NASA" mean anything to you?

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?


HELLO! Hydrogen will play a huge part of our future.
Or did my post on this application to turbine fans escape you?

Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo...trator_AB1.JPG

They serve no other purpose.


It's called science. It works like building blocks. You
work your way up but not with little wooden squares,
but knowledge through discovery.


There was little to no science involved, just some engineering.


Bull****

Bolt A to B, fly it, more study, i.e. money, needed.


So cynical.

As a UAV they are a dud.


I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.


Try looking at real, working UAV's.


Know all about them. Apples and oranges here.
No one intends to put hellfire missles on them.

( awesome video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zg2A...eature=related

They aren't electric.


a. electric: evolving technology
b. the military will use what works best when it's
available. then they will overpay to their friends.

I am one of them.

---
Mark

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  #74  
Old September 21st 10, 02:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default How high can you fly?

On Sep 21, 12:19*am, wrote:

Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?


ITYM ethanol. You know, corn...Iowa...Iowa caucus...elections.

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  #75  
Old September 21st 10, 05:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default How high can you fly?

On Sep 21, 12:54*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:51:36 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.


It tells me that you claims to be an "wealthy, accomplished abstract
artist" are as full of **** as you are.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00204.html

"WARNING: Using a fake name, Ari's premise is simple... "a lie is
as good as the truth if he can get someone to believe it." But
heed this warning; he has tried all of this before. Just look
back on the various newsgroups, and there he will be in all his
pathetic
ugliness. Yet, this time it is much worse. Out to undermine these
newsgroups to the point that seemingly he alone appears to be the
only authority on just about everything, and/or pretends he is trying
to
warn us of others, he not only fabricates all he says, but does much
of it
by stealing the identity of many others, including yours truly, as the
means
to this end (if a posting seems out of character or obscene, be sure
to
check the Headers - if it's from X-privat or Mixmin, it's a forged
post from
Ari)"

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  #76  
Old September 21st 10, 05:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default How high can you fly?

On Sep 20, 10:28*pm, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:59:26 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
Yesterday you called me stupid


No no no it's been months now.
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  #77  
Old September 21st 10, 05:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default How high can you fly?

On Sep 20, 10:28*pm, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:15:46 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
Where do you put the luggage and dog?


Under Tiger Boy's grave?
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  #78  
Old September 21st 10, 05:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default How high can you fly?

On Sep 20, 10:24*pm, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:14:56 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
An airplane is an airplane.


And you're a mindless moron.

See we're bonding under truths.
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  #79  
Old September 21st 10, 06:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
[email protected]
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Default How high can you fly?

Mark wrote:
On Sep 21, 12:14Â*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:11Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:11Â*pm, wrote:


Well, for starters, things like cables and pulleys have to have inspection
plates just so you can inspect them.


I realize this. I fly Cessna airplanes, and am well aware
of where these access areas are.


Then why ask the question?


That's different from understanding what may be hidden
on an old metal plane I'm not familiar with.


That's what you pay a mechanic to look for.

And in the cases where there is no inspection plate and "something bad" is
subsequently discovered, there is usually an AD issued to add inspection
plates or some other method of inspection.


See, that doesn't help when I'm dead.


I'm thinking about the Ercoupe here, as an example.


No Ercoupes fell out ot the sky before the AD to add inspection plates.


I've not checked the accident statistics, but ok. And you're
willing to bank your life on inspection plates?


Everyone that has ever flown in an aircraft is doing it.

( A little aside here, I posed this same question one frosty morning
to my CFI during my preflight check. While doing the usual
check of control surfaces, their mobility and connections I
asked, "what about the stuff we can't see", and he said,
"during inspections use these access areas here". I asked,
"and what about the areas that aren't visible through those
holes?", and he replied, "Well, ya know, anyone that flys
has to take a chance and assume the rest is in good
condition." That was ok with me, and off I flew.)


That was simplified crap to shut you up.

Fabric airplanes have limited fabric life and tests for the integrity of
the fabric.


I already know that.


Then why ask the question?


Frankly I was referring to the old metal planes, but I'm
glad you've mentioned this point. See, what it is, there have
been several people offer me good deals on some old
planes but I've shyed away, because they are old.

Look, I've read newsclips of planes breaking apart with fatalities.
Rotting fabric isn't what I had in mind.


Bull****.


Whadda ya mean bull****? I may be a lot of things, but
a liar isn't one of them. One particular crash which comes
to mind was a businessman in Florida. So don't tell me
bulll**** unless you've read and memorized every single
Faa accident report. His plane broke up in mid-air. It was
some guy very popular.


Arm waving nonsense.

GA airplanes don't break apart unless the pilot does something really
stupid that exceeds design limits.

GA airplanes don't break apart unless the pilot does something really
stupid that exceeds design limits.


Or he bought a kit plane off someone, or he built it himself
and screwed up the epoxy, or...etc.


Most likely the pilot does something really stupid that exceeds design limits.



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Old September 21st 10, 06:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mark wrote:
On Sep 21, 12:19Â*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:17Â*pm, wrote:
Nope, they built them to keep researchers employed.


Surrre they did, because obviously researchers cannot
find work, and no one really wanted to accomplish these
world records. LOL!


Nope, as a matter of fact, you can't find work in research unless it is in
a politically correct area, or has a politically correct tie in these days.


Does the word, "medicine" mean anything to you?
Does the word, "military" mean anything to you?
Does the acronym "NASA" mean anything to you?


Both NASA and military research spending are way down and have been that
way for a decade or so.

Why do you think they hyped all the crap about hydrogen?


HELLO! Hydrogen will play a huge part of our future.
Or did my post on this application to turbine fans escape you?


Nonsense.

Hydrogen has far too many practical problems to ever be useful as a general
purpose fuel like diesel even if you could get the cost down to something
realistic.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo...trator_AB1.JPG

They serve no other purpose.


It's called science. It works like building blocks. You
work your way up but not with little wooden squares,
but knowledge through discovery.


There was little to no science involved, just some engineering.


Bull****


If there was science involved, then some new basic principal must have been
discovered. What was it?

Or is it that you don't believe in engineering?

Bolt A to B, fly it, more study, i.e. money, needed.


So cynical.


So true.

As a UAV they are a dud.


I can't comment until further study. Form follows
function. This should tell you something.


Try looking at real, working UAV's.


Know all about them. Apples and oranges here.
No one intends to put hellfire missles on them.


The vast majority of UAV aren't armed, so I guess you don't really "Know
all about them."

a. electric: evolving technology


A very mature technology.


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