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My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil



 
 
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Old October 15th 07, 06:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ray Andraka
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Default My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize GeneralAviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

Matt Barrow wrote:



How is the electricity generated?



by the grid or by a windmill at home. The energy is stored in
batteries, and in some cases batteries combined with super capacitors
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Old October 15th 07, 06:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ray Andraka
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Bob Noel wrote:

Just a note if you ever consider a gas/electric hybrid, with such a

short
commute you probably won't see the book gas mileage because the
engine needs to warm up before it will shutoff while driving.


Precisely why I am interested in an all-electric, not a hybrid. I work
from my home most of the time, so the commute isn't the issue. The
issue is the requisite running around that needs to be done to support
six kids and all their activities.
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Old October 15th 07, 06:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ray Andraka
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.


Ditto. Although I need one with about a 50 mile range. Virtually all
of our driving is around town, with the farthest points being the
airport and kid's high school which are 14 and 17 miles away
respectively. I've looked at a couple of the conversion kits for VW's
and Hondas, but so far it looks like the range is typically 40-50 miles.
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Old October 17th 07, 02:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.


Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.


convert one. I am converting a 1978 Citroen and will have a 10 mile range at 35mph (what
I need for my commute) for aroung US$1500 invested.

there is a very good list I can point you to if you are interested.

You being in the US makes its much easier than it has been for me


--
Eduardo K. |
http://www.carfun.cl | I'm white and nerdy
http://ev.nn.cl | Weird Al
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Old October 17th 07, 07:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Roger (K8RI)
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:31:37 -0700, Jay Honeck
wrote:

Sounds good to me.


Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile


Rarely do I need one and even then I could leave a bit earlier. OTOH
what happens to all the cars?

(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.


About that time most of your neighbors will do the same, there will be
no off peak times any more due to every one getting their batteries
charged at night, and we'll discover we don't have either the
electrical generating capacity from those smoky, coal burning plants,
nor the electrical grid capacity to deliver it.

Roger (K8RI)
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Old October 20th 07, 02:28 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Default My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.


Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.


All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
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Old October 20th 07, 02:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Billions of Li-ion AA batteries in cars will be a
recycling/disposal nightmare.

We need nuclear powered cars and trucks.

Global warming is only the tip of the iceberg, the whole
solar system is getting hotter. Jupiter has a new Red Spot,
Mars ice caps are receding and the Rovers are getting
considerably more power than was predicted. Even Pluto is
getting hot, up to several degree above absolute zero now.


Maybe we now know why the ancient Egyptians worshiped the
Sun.


"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
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| In article
. com,
| Jay Honeck wrote:
| Sounds good to me.
|
| Me, too.
|
| I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact,
given my 6 mile
| (round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an
all-electric car as
| my next vehicle.
|
| All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm
thinking of
| a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for
short trips,
| and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof
to charge it,
| it becomes pretty green.
|
| --
| -Ed Falk,
|
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/


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Old October 21st 07, 08:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:41:30 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Billions of Li-ion AA batteries in cars will be a
recycling/disposal nightmare.

Most of the market is still using the older NiMH batteris with far
less capacity than the LI-Ion. But they are on the way.

Roger (K8RI)

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Old October 20th 07, 04:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Edward A. Falk" wrote

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


Unless you park it for a few weeks between uses, solar cells don't come
close to providing enough power to make it a viable charging option.
--
Jim in NC


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Old October 20th 07, 05:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In rec.aviation.owning Morgans wrote:

"Edward A. Falk" wrote


All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


Unless you park it for a few weeks between uses, solar cells don't come
close to providing enough power to make it a viable charging option.
--
Jim in NC


Actually, if you covered the entire area of a Prius with the best
solar cells you can buy and parked it for 8 hours in Tucson in the
middle of summer, you could go a few feet.

1 hp = 746 Watts

Get the available sunlight energy from:
http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data...tlas/serve.cgi

Really good solar cells are about 20% efficient.

You do the math.

--
Jim Pennino

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