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Massive Israeli Flyover, Possible Trouble Nov 21
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... from Debka: http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=677 Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. tim gueguen 101867 |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:50:46 GMT, "tim gueguen"
wrote: "robert arndt" wrote in message . com... from Debka: http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=677 Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. Consider the source. Herr Arndt is lacking in credibility period. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' The Following is a true story..... Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty. |
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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:50:46 GMT, "tim gueguen" wrote: "robert arndt" wrote in message . com... from Debka: http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=677 Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. So has the CIA and MI5... Consider the source. Herr Arndt is lacking in credibility period. And your impeccable credentials??? Rob greg |
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Chad Irby wrote in message ...
In article , (robert arndt) wrote: Greg Hennessy wrote in message . .. Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. So has the CIA and MI5... So where do we find the CIA and MI5 Web pages with current classified intel on them for public use - as a comparison? The Israeli flyover isn't classified; in fact, Lebanon went to the UN to complain about escalation with Israel over it yesterday. Second, the Nov 21st statement reflects legitimate concerns of the Israeli, US, and British intelligence services. The Debka article is just as valid as any other news source on the flyover a few days ago, so who cares that I used them? What do you want, the Washington Post or Guardian? Rob |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... Greg Hennessy wrote in message . .. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:50:46 GMT, "tim gueguen" wrote: "robert arndt" wrote in message . com... from Debka: http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=677 Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. So has the CIA and MI5... So what? Whatever their assessements are they aren't being posted here. Debka's was, and this the same organisation that claimed during the Afghan War that the Chinese were going to help Osama evade the Americans. The same Chinese who suffer from their own separatist problems in the Muslim areas of China, including Islamists favourable to bin Laden. Other Debka material I've seen has been equally wonky. I'll certainly criticise any intelligence agency material that might be posted if I find it questionable. tim gueguen 101867 |
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Chad Irby wrote in message ...
In article , (robert arndt) wrote: Greg Hennessy wrote in message . .. Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. So has the CIA and MI5... So where do we find the CIA and MI5 Web pages with current classified intel on them for public use - as a comparison? The WMD, Uranium purchase and high speed centrifuge alloy stories were all not supported by senior intelligence analysts within the CIA and NSA. The philozionist neocon cabal however over ruled them and wipped up war fever. The human plastics shredder will probably get debunked the same way Kuwaiti baby incubator theft was seen to be a hoax. There were good reasons for 'regime change' like the impossibility of unending sanctions and no fly zones but rather than go with that more difficult but infinetly more hinest argument honestly they lied. ************** Hold The Neocons Accountable By Paul Craig Roberts http://www.vdare.com/roberts/accountable.htm Will neoconservatives be held responsible for orchestrating a war in order to pursue their Middle Eastern agenda? Will they get away with inflicting death and injury on thousands of Iraqis and Americans? Powerful people have good reasons to hold the neocons accountable. Secretary of State Colin Powell is one. Deceived into lying to the United Nations when he presented the case for a preemptive US attack on Iraq, Secretary Powell was ruthlessly used by neocon administration officials. Colin Powell put his reputation on the line when he gave the UN assurances that “every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.” There was not a word of truth or intelligence in what Powell told the UN. Iraq most certainly was NOT developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons of mass destruction. Iraq was NOT involved with al Qaida and the September 11 attacks on the US. Saddam Hussein had NO weapons of mass destruction to give to terrorists. President Bush also has good reason to hold the neocons responsible. Deceived and trapped in a war of attrition that can have no successful outcome, Bush’s credibility is burdened with speeches even more egregious than Powell’s UN speech. Fed disinformation, Bush dutifully regurgitated neocon fabrications that Iraq possessed 500 tons of chemical weapons, 25,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 30,000 prohibited warheads, and uranium from Niger. America had to attack Iraq, Bush said, before these fearsome weapons could be used against us. Vice President Cheney’s fear mongering was more extreme than Bush’s. Cheney claimed that Iraq had “reconstituted nuclear weapons.” References to “mushroom clouds” over American cities made ears deaf to voices of reason. Congress has an incentive to hold the neocons accountable. Fear created by neocon lies caused Congress to emasculate itself, to give up its war powers and to agree to massive sums of money being wasted on a pointless war. The US media has good cause to hold the neocons accountable. Neocons manipulated the media and turned reporters, news networks and publications into war propagandists. Uncritical acceptance of neocon propaganda has made laughingstocks out of “conservative” media, such as Fox News, the Weekly Standard, National Review and the Wall Street Journal editorial page. For example, the current issue (Nov. 24) of the Weekly Standard confidently reports that a “top secret U.S. government memorandum” leaked to the magazine proves beyond any doubt that “Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohammed Atta.” [Case Closed, November 24, 2003, by Stephen F. Hayes] These improbable revelations raised no suspicions at the Weekly Standard or Fox News, which fed the story to the public without checking it out. The US Department of Defense repudiated the story in a November 15, 2003 press release: “News reports that the Defense Department recently confirmed new information with respect to contacts between al Qaida and Iraq in a letter [from Undersecretary Douglas Feith] to the Senate Intelligence Committee are inaccurate.” All the Weekly Standard has is a “classified annex” containing “raw reports” or unsupported claims such as those made by self-serving Iraqi exiles. The Defense Department news release says that “the classified annex was not an analysis of the substantive issue of the relationship between Iraq and al Qaida, and it drew no conclusions.” But the propagandists at the Weekly Standard were not deterred by facts. Neoconservatives have made as big a fool of the American public as they have of President Bush. The US has been tricked into waging a war that already has cost us $200 billion and the sympathy of the world, a war that disrupts the lives of tens of thousands of reserve and national guard families, kills and maims our troops and Iraqi civilians, destroys our alliances and foreign policy, and recruits terrorists for bin Laden. We went to war for false reasons. The costs are enormous. Will the perpetrators be held accountable? *********************************** When Perle was working for Senator Scoop Jackson, he was investigated by the Justice Department and found to have violated US policies relating to unlawful transmission of sensitive classified US information to Israel. "An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy," writes Paul Findley (They Dare To Speak Out, Chicago, Ill, Lawrence Hill Books 1989)."He came under fire in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied conflict of interest, insisting that, although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm." In other words, Richard Perle is an Israeli spy. Perle should be expatriated immediately -- or made to share a cell with Jonathan Pollard, the spy who spent 18 months collecting and selling classified American intelligence to Israel from his position in U.S. Naval Intelligence. |
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:4dTub.436788$pl3.391485@pd7tw3no... "robert arndt" wrote in message om... Greg Hennessy wrote in message . .. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:50:46 GMT, "tim gueguen" wrote: "robert arndt" wrote in message . com... from Debka: http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=677 Consider the source. Debka have proven rather lacking in credibility in the past. So has the CIA and MI5... So what? Whatever their assessements are they aren't being posted here. Debka's was, and this the same organisation that claimed during the Afghan War that the Chinese were going to help Osama evade the Americans. The same Chinese who suffer from their own separatist problems in the Muslim areas of China, including Islamists favourable to bin Laden. Other Debka material I've seen has been equally wonky. I'll certainly criticise any intelligence agency material that might be posted if I find it questionable. The same China that plans joint operations with India. |
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