No one awards themselves medals.

Medal are awarded by supererior officers based on reports, investigations and
recommendations. Kerry didn't award himself anything. And the neocons who say
he did are all liars as usual.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art wrote:
Medal are awarded by supererior officers based on reports, investigations and
recommendations. Kerry didn't award himself anything. And the neocons who
say
he did are all liars as usual.


That is an over simplification of the process Art. It is also kind of like
efficiency reports, anyone rated less than superior is dead as far as career
moves.

The standard practice in my era was to recommend an individual for an award at
least one above what you wanted him to get, want him to get a Bronze Star, put
him in for a Silver Star. It gets a little bit dicey when the person really
deserve a higher award and you can't get it for them.

Also remember Art, superior officers tend not to do the work, the enlisted men
(remember those guys?) usually do the research and buck the report up to the
officer in charge of awards, who then sends it up to the next level, etc.

Also remember the purple heart is almost automatic, just a minimal amount of
paperwork required.

I personally know an RF-4 crew who got Bronze Stars for leaving their camera on
an instant too long while jinking and "accidentally" took photos of a target
that had been missed by three other crews. The paperwork made them look like
the best recce crew in the world. They deserved Silver Stars for other missions
that never got written up, so their commander let it ride.

Awards are controlled by fate, some you deserve, some you don't, usually it
evens out if you live long enough. If you are a great politician, you can get
yourself enough fruit salad to cause you to lean to the left by just protecting
the main O'club bar, but they don't mean squat in the Stag Bar.

Rick Clark

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Medal are awarded by supererior officers based on reports, investigations
and
recommendations. Kerry didn't award himself anything. And the neocons who
say
he did are all liars as usual.

You are of course again wrong. Only high level awards require
investigations, and yes, there indeed have been plenty of folks who went off
lobbying to get a PH for themselves; besides your buddy Kerry, there was the
fellow CWO my brother served with in Vietnam who broke his toe trying to get
into a bunker during a rocket attack against their base in Danang--unlike
Kerry, however, his attempt was turned down.

Brooks


Arthur Kramer

From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 8/19/2004 3:32 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Medal are awarded by supererior officers based on reports, investigations
and
recommendations. Kerry didn't award himself anything. And the neocons who
say
he did are all liars as usual.

You are of course again wrong. Only high level awards require
investigations, and yes, there indeed have been plenty of folks who went off
lobbying to get a PH for themselves; besides your buddy Kerry, there was the
fellow CWO my brother served with in Vietnam who broke his toe trying to get
into a bunker during a rocket attack against their base in Danang--unlike
Kerry, however, his attempt was turned down.

Brooks


Arthur Kramer

I don't recall anyone ever saying kerry awarded himself anything. First off he
didn't have the authority and second all the people questioning his awards and
decorations know this.

It seems art has once again attempted to stir things up. I wonder if he can
find a single verifiable instance where a "neocon" said kerry awarded himself
anything.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:

I don't recall anyone ever saying kerry awarded himself anything.

I haven't heard anyone claim he awarded himself his medals, just that he
*submitted* himself for the medals.

I'm at the point now where I'm ready to support a Constitutional amendment
barring *any* person between the age of 50 and 65 (Vietnam era service age)
from serving as President of the U.S. Sorry Ed


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Buffdrvr wrote:
I'm at the point now where I'm ready to support a Constitutional amendment
barring *any* person between the age of 50 and 65 (Vietnam era service age)
from serving as President of the U.S. Sorry Ed

That is going to be a tough one to draft (pun intended). It will have to be a
"rolling age" law until we are all dead :-).

I will support your effort if you include 80plus year old college student,
photographer, retired ad-men. Also ex Warrant officer bomb aimer/navigators and
anyone who even remotely kisses their rears on a newsgroup.

Rick

In article ,
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

I don't recall anyone ever saying kerry awarded himself anything.

I haven't heard anyone claim he awarded himself his medals, just that he
*submitted* himself for the medals.

I'm at the point now where I'm ready to support a Constitutional amendment
barring *any* person between the age of 50 and 65 (Vietnam era service age)
from serving as President of the U.S. Sorry Ed


Along with a bronze dunce cap for Shrub's pappy...to thank him, his
campaign staff, and many of his followers for making it in issue when it
suited them (eight years of attacks on Clinton). It's quite entertaining
to watch them now panicking in a whirlpool of feigned disgust that the
issue they invented is only relevant when it applies to their opponents.


--Mike

Subject: No one awards themselves medals.
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 8/19/2004 5:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Dan wrote:

I don't recall anyone ever saying kerry awarded himself anything.

I haven't heard anyone claim he awarded himself his medals, just that he
*submitted* himself for the medals.

I'm at the point now where I'm ready to support a Constitutional amendment
barring *any* person between the age of 50 and 65 (Vietnam era service age)
from serving as President of the U.S. Sorry Ed


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


Except of course unless they have actually seen combat.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: No one awards themselves medals.
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/19/2004 5:31 PM Pacific Standard Time

I will support your effort if you include 80plus year old college student,
photographer, retired ad-men. Also ex Warrant officer bomb aimer/navigators
and
anyone who even remotely kisses their rears on a newsgroup.

Rick

You are a moron aren't you? You are well named. Go screw yourself.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Michael Wise writes:



Along with a bronze dunce cap for Shrub's pappy...to thank him, his
campaign staff, and many of his followers for making it in issue when it
suited them (eight years of attacks on Clinton). It's quite entertaining
to watch them now panicking in a whirlpool of feigned disgust that the
issue they invented is only relevant when it applies to their opponents.

This oh so reminds me of Ma Bell's ******* kids. They all demanded
/min "reciprocal compensation" for all calls from other local
carriers, inc. cell phone co's.

Then the internet boom hit and all the ISP's moved to their competitors.
So they received 1000's of minutes of calls, from homes served by
VZ/SBC/BS/etc. Guess who was on the short end NOW?

They SCREAMED, but lost in court case after case, and PSC after PSC hearing.
Finally, their hero Mikey Powell declared competition was only good if the
Bells profited, and overrode the existing rules.
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