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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method So you can know why you want to avoid it. 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation (note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just perform memorization) Also note that the ability to think abstractly is a developmental stage that typcially happens rather late. Trying to cram abstract thinking into kids who aren't developmentally ready for it isn't any better than rote learning. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method So you can know why you want to avoid it. And why is that? 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation (note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just perform memorization) Also note that the ability to think abstractly is a developmental stage that typcially happens rather late. Kids are good at forming concepts from the time they're about two or three. So how do _you_ determine when they're ready? Trying to cram abstract thinking into kids who aren't developmentally ready for it isn't any better than rote learning. If they're ready for learning (other than potty training and the like) they can start with easy concepts. |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... Well, if in sending my kids to public schools all these years (they're all in or past college now) I'd seen even ONE that comprehended HOW the young minds grasps knowledge I'd say "most". That's not been me experience. I don't know about that. I graduated from a public school and went to MIT and did very well there. Both my kids went to public school and while not all there teachers were great, most of them were. The problem now is not the teachers, many of whom have a huge amount of experience and good ability to teach, but the increasing reliance on endless series of tests to satisfy federal and state requirements. Test scores are the Holy Grail and to get good scores on the tests requires much more of the rote learning you don't like. Instead of knocking public education why don't you get involved and make a difference? |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... 1) Avoid public schools The education a child gets in school is more a function of the child than the school. 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method Some kids do better with this, some worse. 3) Find some good material about human epistemology 4) Find some good works on critical thinking 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation Keeping interested, involved, and supportive of your children and their education is always a good thing. |
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message et... "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... 1) Avoid public schools The education a child gets in school is more a function of the child than the school. 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method Some kids do better with this, some worse. Since it is basic fundemantals, why would some do worse? 3) Find some good material about human epistemology 4) Find some good works on critical thinking 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation Keeping interested, involved, and supportive of your children and their education is always a good thing. And teaching them to think for themselves and not be beholden to any agency. |
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I've stayed out of this so far, but....
I'd say the biggest determination of a successful education is the involvement of the parent(s). Next comes the child themselves and the type of school is last. (There are good and bad teachers in all kinds of schools.) My 'credentials' are purely to have raised two sons, educated through the public school system. One of which now has dual BS degrees and the other is about to get his Phd from Emory Univ. That, and a lot of observing why some children had problems and others did not.... Mike Peter Gottlieb wrote: "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... 1) Avoid public schools The education a child gets in school is more a function of the child than the school. 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method Some kids do better with this, some worse. 3) Find some good material about human epistemology 4) Find some good works on critical thinking 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation Keeping interested, involved, and supportive of your children and their education is always a good thing. |
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message et... "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... Well, if in sending my kids to public schools all these years (they're all in or past college now) I'd seen even ONE that comprehended HOW the young minds grasps knowledge I'd say "most". That's not been me experience. I don't know about that. I graduated from a public school and went to MIT and did very well there. Both my kids went to public school and while not all there teachers were great, most of them were. How so were they great or not so great? The problem now is not the teachers, many of whom have a huge amount of experience and good ability to teach, And the point is that now matter how much they like to terach or how much _desire_ they have, they still don't know HOW the human mind, especially in children, grasps data nd makes sense of it. but the increasing reliance on endless series of tests to satisfy federal and state requirements. Test scores are the Holy Grail and to get good scores on the tests requires much more of the rote learning you don't like. And that's the problem. If you wish to raise automatons and Jugen, that's fine. I hope you aspire more highly with YOUR kids. Instead of knocking public education why don't you get involved and make a difference? I am...right here. In case you haven't figured it out, public education, by its very basis, it doomed. |
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"Mike H" wrote in message . .. I've stayed out of this so far, but.... I'd say the biggest determination of a successful education is the involvement of the parent(s). That helps, but, for example, learning to fly will go no where if your instructor doesn;t know what makes and airplane fly. Next comes the child themselves and the type of school is last. (There are good and bad teachers in all kinds of schools.) Again...the basis of human learning and knowledge has not been a part of the schools of education (other than pragmatic guessing games with the kids a guinna pigs) for a couple generations. My 'credentials' are purely to have raised two sons, educated through the public school system. One of which now has dual BS degrees and the other is about to get his Phd from Emory Univ. That, and a lot of observing why some children had problems and others did not.... Have you ever notice what's referred to as the "educated idiot"? I'm sure we all have. Ever wonder why that is? |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
... 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method Some kids do better with this, some worse. Since it is basic fundemantals, why would some do worse? I don't know. Keeping interested, involved, and supportive of your children and their education is always a good thing. And teaching them to think for themselves and not be beholden to any agency. And still be respectful and be able to work with said agancy. You must learn to follow before you can learn to lead. |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... How so were they great or not so great? Ah, flexibility is a lot of it. That is, being able to get a wide range of kids to grasp and enjoy the material. And the point is that now matter how much they like to terach or how much _desire_ they have, they still don't know HOW the human mind, especially in children, grasps data nd makes sense of it. Children are all different. One size does not fit all. but the increasing reliance on endless series of tests to satisfy federal and state requirements. Test scores are the Holy Grail and to get good scores on the tests requires much more of the rote learning you don't like. And that's the problem. If you wish to raise automatons and Jugen, that's fine. I hope you aspire more highly with YOUR kids. I am not sure what your argument is here. I am...right here. In case you haven't figured it out, public education, by its very basis, it doomed. I disagree. But I respect your opinion. |
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