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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
CAP COMMANDER SACKED (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196279) The Board of Governors of the Civil Air Patrol has stripped the organization's suspended commander, Maj. Gen. Tony Pineda, of his rank, position and membership after investigating allegations that a member of CAP's Florida unit took U.S. Air Force Command and Staff College tests on Pineda's behalf in 2002 and 2003. Pineda was suspended in early August after the allegations came to light and the board of governors decided to formally investigate them. "This action was taken after careful review of the facts and circumstances and after numerous discussions of the report of the investigation against Gen. Pineda," Maj. Gen. Richard Bowling, chairman of the board of governors, said in a news release. Brig. Gen. Amy Courter, CAP's deputy commander, assumed command during Pineda's suspension and will continue in that role until August of 2008 when the board of governors will convene to elect a new commander. Courter can run. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196279 |
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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
On Oct 4, 4:54 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
CAP COMMANDER SACKED (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196279) The Board of Governors of the Civil Air Patrol has stripped the I guess it shows how well run CAP is that there were no disruptions to any missions as a result of this. -Robert |
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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
"Robert M. Gary" wrote: CAP COMMANDER SACKED I guess it shows how well run CAP is that there were no disruptions to any missions as a result of this. Or how superfluous the top brass is. -- Dan T-182T at BFM |
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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 4, 4:54 am, Larry Dighera wrote: CAP COMMANDER SACKED (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196279) The Board of Governors of the Civil Air Patrol has stripped the I guess it shows how well run CAP is that there were no disruptions to any missions as a result of this. Who knows what organizational weaknesses might have developed, though. "Maj. Gen. Tony Pineda, of his rank, position and membership after investigating allegations that a member of CAP's Florida unit took U.S. Air Force Command and Staff College tests on Pineda's behalf in 2002 and 2003. Pineda was suspended in early August after the allegations came to light and the board of governors decided to formally investigate them." - AVWeb "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." - U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code |
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On Oct 4, 2:15 pm, "Gatt" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in glegroups.com... "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." - U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code Apparently, as evidenced by the fact that he was relieved of command. -Robert |
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I thought Pineda was a retired Florida Cop not USAF. Am I wrong?
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:15:10 -0700, "Gatt" wrote: "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." - U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code GeorgeC |
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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
On Oct 4, 3:33 pm, GeorgeC wrote:
I thought Pineda was a retired Florida Cop not USAF. Am I wrong? Both. He was a member of the USAF Auxillary most recently. -Robert |
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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
"We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." - U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code Apparently, as evidenced by the fact that he was relieved of command. And it took 5 years for him to be sacked? Someone at CAP must have known this, either tolerated it or being silenced. Organizations that are self righteous often produces some of the worst corruption. That's true for both the left and the right. |
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M wrote: "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." - U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code Apparently, as evidenced by the fact that he was relieved of command. And it took 5 years for him to be sacked? Someone at CAP must have known this, either tolerated it or being silenced. I used to run CAP-Talk, an unofficial CAP mailing list. I haven't run it since 2002, and the commander who was just sacked was in charge of Florida (IIRC) back then, and people where complaining frequently about his corruption/etc. Granted, the folks on CAP-Talk had an axe to grind, but there seemed to be enough there to warrant an investigation. Instead, CAP National HQ promoted him. CAP National HQ has a history of incompetence at best, with frequent rumors of more serious issues. The incompetent leadership at many levels was one of the reasons I left CAP. John -- John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/ |
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Civil Air Patrol Commander's Corruption
I've been quietly watching this thread, but after your comments John I feel
the need to add some data points of which you may not be aware. Your statement that "CAP National HQ has a history of incompetence at best,..." is typical of the sensationalism we see bandied about by the mainstream news media way too frequently. I've been associated with CAP since February 1969 and have known one national commander and a national vice-commander personally. I can not agree with your statement. BG Johnnie Boyd was an outstanding National Commander who tolerated no incompetence and demanded integrity from all who served with him. Col. George Way who served as vice-commander and I didn't always see eye-to-eye, but George tolerated little outside what was good for the organization. George and Johnnie both felt they should lead by example. I was never interested in working in a staff position above Wing and actually never aspired to anything other than to fly, so I don't have extensive or uninterrupted knowledge of the national staff. I do however believe that your statement about a "history of incompetence at best..." is blatantly untrue and attempts to paint the organization as a whole in unfavorable light. Johnnie came up through the ranks in Oklahoma and joined CAP while an enlisted Air Force mechanic working on the KC-135s at Tinker. George came up through the ranks in Grand Prairie, Texas. Neither aspired to be in a leadership position until later in their CAP careers. Some will probably take issue with my referring to these two men as Johnnie and George. Both men were fine individuals who preferred to be known as men of integrity than by any title you might bestow on them. Personally there are lots of things that irritate me about CAP, but then that goes with almost anything any more. The older I get the less I seem to tolerate fools - there just isn't enough time left and fools seem to have a way of making themselves seen and heard. I'm willing to bet the constant irritations were what finally drove you from CAP and I completely understand. I'm going through that dilemma myself right now with some of the new flight rules being put into place by the legal staff, but I keep remembering how much good CAP has done over the years, and how much good it can still do so that's the dilemma. If the national leadership had such a "history of incompetence..." the organization would've crumbled years ago. The true mark of an organization is not if it ever has bad leadership, rather the measure is how the organization deals with bad leadership. It may have taken too long (in both of our opinions) for CAP to do something about Pineada, but they finally did - and don't you know it was/is more painful now than it would've been back in Florida? Maybe this can be a learning experience for everyone involved. -- Jim Carter Rogers, Arkansas |
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