adjacent airspace handoff

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:07:23 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Well, unless you're staying in the pattern, the Class C Local Controller
will ship everyone to Approach Control.

Everyone? Actually, my experience has been that the Class C Local
Controller hands departing flights off to Radar Advisories before the
hand off to _Departure_ Control. Departure Control will terminate
Radar Advisory Service, and coordination through en route airspace, at
some point unless Departure Control is aware you wish to continue
receiving the service beyond that point.

At KSNA, if you append the word 'local' after the name of the VFR
departure you request from Clearance Delivery, your flight will not be
handed off to Departure Control at all; after you exit the Class C
boundary, service is terminated: 1200 beacon code. The word 'local'
implies that you will be operating in the local area and do not wish
to receive Radar Advisory Service.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Everyone?


Yup, unless the local controller is also performing as approach control.



Actually, my experience has been that the Class C Local
Controller hands departing flights off to Radar Advisories before the
hand off to _Departure_ Control. Departure Control will terminate
Radar Advisory Service, and coordination through en route airspace, at
some point unless Departure Control is aware you wish to continue
receiving the service beyond that point.


All Class C radar controllers issue radar advisories.

Larry Dighera wrote:




Everyone?

No, of course not, that's ridiculous.


Actually, my experience has been that the Class C Local
Controller hands departing flights off to Radar Advisories before the
hand off to _Departure_ Control.

Lost me there. If the local controller is done with you he says contact
departure. That's the next guy.


Departure Control will terminate
Radar Advisory Service, and coordination through en route airspace, at
some point unless Departure Control is aware you wish to continue
receiving the service beyond that point.

This contradicts itself. You either get terminated or you continue on
with the center.



At KSNA, if you append the word 'local' after the name of the VFR
departure you request from Clearance Delivery, your flight will not be
handed off to Departure Control at all; after you exit the Class C
boundary, service is terminated: 1200 beacon code. The word 'local'
implies that you will be operating in the local area and do not wish
to receive Radar Advisory Service.

So you are saying that the guy who gave your take off clearance will
terminate you at 5 miles, which is the boundary of the class C? This
would be a local thing. We do similar things with certain aircraft.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:51:23 -0600, Newps wrote
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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:07:23 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Well, unless you're staying in the pattern, the Class C Local Controller
will ship everyone to Approach Control.


Everyone?

No, of course not, that's ridiculous.


Right.


Actually, my experience has been that the Class C Local
Controller hands departing flights off to Radar Advisories before the
hand off to _Departure_ Control.

Lost me there. If the local controller is done with you he says contact
departure. That's the next guy.


Actually, although it isn't published in the A/FD (But is published by
the John Wayne Tower Pilot/Controller Work Group, and appears in the
Air Guide Publications Flight Guide), KSNA, Santa Ana, California has
an intermediary controller between the Local (tower) Controller and
Departure Control (TRACON) called Radar Advisory. It is likely
specific to that airport. It is mentioned he
http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/JOHN...OPERATIONS.pdf
http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/JOHN...OPERATIONS.htm


Departure Control will terminate
Radar Advisory Service, and coordination through en route airspace, at
some point unless Departure Control is aware you wish to continue
receiving the service beyond that point.

This contradicts itself. You either get terminated or you continue on
with the center.


See the links above. If you find that information inadequate to
resolve the misunderstanding, I'll be happy to answer your specific
questions.


At KSNA, if you append the word 'local' after the name of the VFR
departure you request from Clearance Delivery, your flight will not be
handed off to Departure Control at all; after you exit the Class C
boundary, service is terminated: 1200 beacon code. The word 'local'
implies that you will be operating in the local area and do not wish
to receive Radar Advisory Service.

So you are saying that the guy who gave your take off clearance will
terminate you at 5 miles, which is the boundary of the class C? This
would be a local thing. We do similar things with certain aircraft.

If you append the word 'local' after the name of the VFR departure you
request from Clearance Delivery, ATC services will be terminated at
the boundary of the Class C surface area.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Actually, although it isn't published in the A/FD (But is published by
the John Wayne Tower Pilot/Controller Work Group, and appears in the
Air Guide Publications Flight Guide), KSNA, Santa Ana, California has
an intermediary controller between the Local (tower) Controller and
Departure Control (TRACON) called Radar Advisory. It is likely
specific to that airport. It is mentioned he
http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/JOHN...OPERATIONS.pdf
http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/JOHN...OPERATIONS.htm


Departure Control, by any other name, is still departure control.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:47:06 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Actually, although it isn't published in the A/FD (But is published by
the John Wayne Tower Pilot/Controller Work Group, and appears in the
Air Guide Publications Flight Guide), KSNA, Santa Ana, California has
an intermediary controller between the Local (tower) Controller and
Departure Control (TRACON) called Radar Advisory. It is likely
specific to that airport. It is mentioned he
http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/JOHN...OPERATIONS.pdf
http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/JOHN...OPERATIONS.htm


Departure Control, by any other name, is still departure control.


That comment reveals the fact that you failed to read the information
at the links provided.

The intermediary controller between the Local (tower) Controller and
Departure Control (TRACON) called Radar Advisory is manned by tower
personnel; it is not Departure Control.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

That comment reveals the fact that you failed to read the information
at the links provided.

The intermediary controller between the Local (tower) Controller and
Departure Control (TRACON) called Radar Advisory is manned by tower
personnel; it is not Departure Control.


What does it matter where they're located? It's Class C airspace so they
have to provide Class C services. If it has the properties of departure
control it's departure control no matter what it's called.