Trim settings the same for takeoff and landing?

Mxsmanic wrote:
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com writes:

In a PC simulator, when you change the trim, it changes the mapping
between the stick position and the simulated elevator position as
opposed to real life where the trim changes the forces on the stick.
In the game, when you trim, you MOVE the stick (or yoke) back to the
"center" position. In real life, when you change the trim, you DON"T
MOVE the stick (or yoke). Untill these people recognize these
simple, basic facts about the hardware differences, they will never
understand how trim works.

This difference is trivially small, much smaller than, say, the
difference between a yoke and a sidestick, which is already too small
to worry about.

Since responses that do not confirm your preset world view are to be
trivialized, there is absolutely nothing of constructive value accomplished
by your queries.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:29:59 -0600, Jon Woellhaf wrote:

wrote, "I don't want to fly a XC holding yoke pressure
..."

That reminded me of my first XC decades ago. I was not a pilot and had been
in a light plane only a couple times before, both times in a back seat. I
was in the right-hand seat of brother-in-law's C210, and he let me fly for
several hours after we cleared Denver's TCA heading east to Quincy, IL. I
was surprised at how difficult it was to maintain altitude and how much
forward pressure I had to apply to the yoke. After those several hours, as
we approached Quincy, he took back the controls and immediately grabbed a
couple handfuls of trim. "I can't believe you flew all that way without
trimming!" "What's trim," I replied. I learned a lot on that flight.

Jon

Trimming is only to relieve pressure on the yoke. Since I fly Cessna
15x only, how the **** would I know since there is no yoke.

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Jim Logajan writes:

Since you claim to already "talk to" people whose opinion you consider more
reliable on trim settings than anyone on this newsgroup, there was no
rational reason for you to start this thread with:

"Lately I have made a more stringent attempt to trim the aircraft on
approach for landing, and I note that I often end up with a trim setting
that is right inside the takeoff trim setting. Is this a coincidence, or
something that is to be expected?"

Yes, there was a rational reason. The pilots I've talked to in real life are
not readily reachable in cyberspace, particularly as a group, so it's easier
to ask the question in venues where at least a few useful replies might
theoretically be had. There are lots of poseurs in these newsgroups, of
course, but I know whom to take seriously and whom to dismiss, and serious
answers with good intentions are easy to distinguish from personal attacks and
replies that try to look smart but convey no real information.

Jim Logajan writes:

Since responses that do not confirm your preset world view are to be
trivialized, there is absolutely nothing of constructive value accomplished
by your queries.

That is for me to determine, not you.

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Jim Logajan writes:

Since responses that do not confirm your preset world view are to be
trivialized, there is absolutely nothing of constructive value accomplished
by your queries.

That is for me to determine, not you.

Happy landings! - LOL

So uh... correct answers have been supplied by several posters. Just
wondering what you've determined?

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Mike Ash writes:

Guy who only flies simulators says the difference is trivially small.

People who have issues with self-esteem or difficulty learning say it is
arbitrarily large.

So which one do you think I have, self-esteem issues or difficulty
learning?

People who have flown both say the difference is significant.

Not the ones I've talked to. Nor would that be coherent with more general
principles of simulation and operation of vehicles.

Do you not consider Usenet to count as "talking", or do you doubt that
we've flown both?

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Dave Doe writes:

So uh... correct answers have been supplied by several posters.

I have seen several good answers, yes. The rest went into the bit bucket, as
usual.

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says...

Dave Doe writes:

So uh... correct answers have been supplied by several posters.

I have seen several good answers, yes. The rest went into the bit bucket, as
usual.

You avoided my question. What did you determine?

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On Apr 25, 4:28*pm, Dave Doe wrote:
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Dave Doe writes:

So uh... correct answers have been supplied by several posters.

I have seen several good answers, yes. The rest went into the bit bucket, as
usual.

You avoided my question. *What did you determine?

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Duncan.

The metric to use is probably not Mx's opinion, but your own. If you
read something you deem useful and might incorporate in your own
flying it's useful, else, it's not. I am a moderately high time pilot
and have found some ideas in this newsgroup good reminders, or in
some cases things I had not considered and now use and I suspect
others have as well.

Student pilots would be well advised to not read this newsgroup, or to
filter the ideas they consider worthwhile through their CFIs

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:29:00 -0700 (PDT), a wrote:

Student pilots would be well advised to not read this newsgroup, or to
filter the ideas they consider worthwhile through their CFIs

(a)men to that.
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