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Super Dimona accident
On Sep 9, 3:00*pm, wrote:
On Sep 9, 1:47*pm, kd6veb wrote: Hi Gang * The NTSB preliminary report can be found he http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...06X63800&key=1 * It sure suggests a stall and spin turning final. Dave Description is also consistent with 360 degree turn when pilot sees he is too high- followed shortly by going from too high to too low and then starting to force the turn, leading to stall or stall/spin. Alternate speculation consistent with a common "stupid pilot trick". FWIW- not much UH If he did a full 360, does that mean he was already on final? Or could he have done this on the base leg? I've seen a pilot do a 270 at the base/final turn point. Obviously not a good idea. Can't imagine someone doing a full 360 while on final. |
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i've seen it a few times. i did it myself. once. way early on before i
knew what the hell i was doing. everyone else who i've seen do it, or talked to who did it, were also convinced it was probably not the best idea. I think most of us had that realization somewhere around 200 degrees of turn I think... I've seen a pilot do a 270 at the base/final turn point. Obviously not a good idea. Can't imagine someone doing a full 360 while on final. |
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Super Dimona accident
On Sep 9, 1:47*pm, Westbender wrote:
On Sep 9, 3:00*pm, wrote: On Sep 9, 1:47*pm, kd6veb wrote: Hi Gang * The NTSB preliminary report can be found he http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...06X63800&key=1 * It sure suggests a stall and spin turning final. Hi Gang Don't you all think the 360 occurred in the spin to the ground? You rarely if ever do a 360 on final or at least I don't. Dave Dave Description is also consistent with 360 degree turn when pilot sees he is too high- followed shortly by going from too high to too low and then starting to force the turn, leading to stall or stall/spin. Alternate speculation consistent with a common "stupid pilot trick". FWIW- not much UH If he did a full 360, does that mean he was already on final? Or could he have done this on the base leg? I've seen a pilot do a 270 at the base/final turn point. Obviously not a good idea. Can't imagine someone doing a full 360 while on final. |
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Super Dimona accident
On Sep 10, 8:47*am, Westbender wrote:
I've seen a pilot do a 270 at the base/final turn point. Obviously not a good idea. Can't imagine someone doing a full 360 while on final. I don't know if you saw Bruno's recent wheat field outlanding video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJgSL4X6L-Y#t=10m55s At the start point above, he's going to land in the green field just past the ploughed one, right to left, towards the trees. He flies a base (?) leg along the fence (the intended threshold), and then a continuous right hand 270 onto short final. |
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I wonder if he ran out of gas? The report sounds like the flight was a
powered event. Did he get shook when the put-put quit? No logical reason to do a 360 in the pattern, if you have excess altitude..............just extend the down-wind a bit, unless you got shook when the noise stopped. I guess the survivor can tell us. Sounds like he didn't want to go any farther down-wind for fear he couldn't get back without the motor? Sad, JJ |
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