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Eliminating Trolls (again)
On Feb 7, 5:36*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
The quality of the discussions here has diminished by a factor of ten. *So have the quantity of people with real experiences to give input to the discussions. I agree 100% Jim. *But I have a simple solution.\\ What, you're going to stop posting? Bertie |
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Why airplanes fly
On Feb 7, 2:51*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote: On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Cecil E. Chapman wrote: They fly because of money.... :/ *Money generates both lift and thrust..... THIS is the real reason. And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-) -- Dudley Henriques I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least they're not PAYING. I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the maintenance. Even for a couple of flights! Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others. I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly misinformed. I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look like you do something, you make excuses. Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio. Bertie |
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Why airplanes fly
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: wrote: On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Cecil E. Chapman wrote: They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust..... THIS is the real reason. And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-) -- Dudley Henriques I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least they're not PAYING. I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the maintenance. Even for a couple of flights! Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others. I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly misinformed. I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look like you do something, you make excuses. Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio. Bertie The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them. I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager could have set things right anytime he chose to do so. To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet! D -- Dudley Henriques |
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Why airplanes fly
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote: On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: wrote: On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Cecil E. Chapman wrote: They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust..... THIS is the real reason. And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-) -- Dudley Henriques I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least they're not PAYING. I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the maintenance. Even for a couple of flights! Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others. I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly misinformed. I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look like you do something, you make excuses. Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio. Bertie The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them. I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager could have set things right anytime he chose to do so. To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet! Could you tell us a little about it? I googled George Welsh and about all I could find is that he was a North American test pilot and was killed testing an F-100 at supersonic speeds. |
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Why airplanes fly
Jim Stewart wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: wrote: On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Cecil E. Chapman wrote: They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust..... THIS is the real reason. And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-) -- Dudley Henriques I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least they're not PAYING. I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the maintenance. Even for a couple of flights! Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others. I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly misinformed. I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look like you do something, you make excuses. Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio. Bertie The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them. I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager could have set things right anytime he chose to do so. To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet! Could you tell us a little about it? I googled George Welsh and about all I could find is that he was a North American test pilot and was killed testing an F-100 at supersonic speeds. The long and the short of it is that Yeager was/is a superb pilot who did indeed break mach 1 in the Bell X1 as well as a number of additional notable achievements. The only rub in it is the fact that he was about a week late on the mach 1 flight and George Welsh broke mach 1 before him in the prototype F86. There's no doubt whatsover that Welsh went supersonic in the Sabre, as there were a ton of eye witnesses who heard the boom at Pancho's the day he did it. In fact, Welsh had told Barnes to listen for the sound and she had clued the whole place in on what was happening. Yeager had his X1 flight and broke the barrier IN LEVEL FLIGHT, and this should have been the way the news was released, but due to publicity and contract issues ongoing at the time, Yeager's flight was treated as the initial successful mach 1 attempt. Welsh had broken the mach in a dive and his attempt was completely unauthorized by North American. What's so bad about Yeager is that he knew Welsh. They were competitors in the flight test business. Yeager has had years to set the record straight and give Welsh the credit that was denied him, but he hasn't done that. This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well. Both ways, it diminishes the accomplishments of two great aviation pioneers. There's a bit more to the story, but this is the skinny from my perspective anyway. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Why airplanes fly
Dudley wrote:
This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well. IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity. Hilton |
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Why airplanes fly
Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote: This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well. IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity. Hilton I couldn't agree more, and this was just one more nail in the coffin that defines why I can't take Yeager. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Why airplanes fly
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Jim Stewart wrote: Dudley Henriques wrote: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: wrote: On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Cecil E. Chapman wrote: They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust..... THIS is the real reason. And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-) -- Dudley Henriques I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least they're not PAYING. I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the maintenance. Even for a couple of flights! Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others. I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly misinformed. I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look like you do something, you make excuses. Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio. Bertie The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them. I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager could have set things right anytime he chose to do so. To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet! Could you tell us a little about it? I googled George Welsh and about all I could find is that he was a North American test pilot and was killed testing an F-100 at supersonic speeds. The long and the short of it is that Yeager was/is a superb pilot who did indeed break mach 1 in the Bell X1 as well as a number of additional notable achievements. The only rub in it is the fact that he was about a week late on the mach 1 flight and George Welsh broke mach 1 before him in the prototype F86. There's no doubt whatsover that Welsh went supersonic in the Sabre, as there were a ton of eye witnesses who heard the boom at Pancho's the day he did it. In fact, Welsh had told Barnes to listen for the sound and she had clued the whole place in on what was happening. Yeager had his X1 flight and broke the barrier IN LEVEL FLIGHT, and this should have been the way the news was released, but due to publicity and contract issues ongoing at the time, Yeager's flight was treated as the initial successful mach 1 attempt. Welsh had broken the mach in a dive and his attempt was completely unauthorized by North American. What's so bad about Yeager is that he knew Welsh. They were competitors in the flight test business. Yeager has had years to set the record straight and give Welsh the credit that was denied him, but he hasn't done that. This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well. Both ways, it diminishes the accomplishments of two great aviation pioneers. There's a bit more to the story, but this is the skinny from my perspective anyway. Thanks. That explains it. |
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Why airplanes fly
Jim Stewart wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote: Jim Stewart wrote: Dudley Henriques wrote: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: wrote: On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Cecil E. Chapman wrote: They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust..... THIS is the real reason. And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-) -- Dudley Henriques I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least they're not PAYING. I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the maintenance. Even for a couple of flights! Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others. I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly misinformed. I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look like you do something, you make excuses. Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio. Bertie The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them. I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager could have set things right anytime he chose to do so. To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet! Could you tell us a little about it? I googled George Welsh and about all I could find is that he was a North American test pilot and was killed testing an F-100 at supersonic speeds. The long and the short of it is that Yeager was/is a superb pilot who did indeed break mach 1 in the Bell X1 as well as a number of additional notable achievements. The only rub in it is the fact that he was about a week late on the mach 1 flight and George Welsh broke mach 1 before him in the prototype F86. There's no doubt whatsover that Welsh went supersonic in the Sabre, as there were a ton of eye witnesses who heard the boom at Pancho's the day he did it. In fact, Welsh had told Barnes to listen for the sound and she had clued the whole place in on what was happening. Yeager had his X1 flight and broke the barrier IN LEVEL FLIGHT, and this should have been the way the news was released, but due to publicity and contract issues ongoing at the time, Yeager's flight was treated as the initial successful mach 1 attempt. Welsh had broken the mach in a dive and his attempt was completely unauthorized by North American. What's so bad about Yeager is that he knew Welsh. They were competitors in the flight test business. Yeager has had years to set the record straight and give Welsh the credit that was denied him, but he hasn't done that. This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well. Both ways, it diminishes the accomplishments of two great aviation pioneers. There's a bit more to the story, but this is the skinny from my perspective anyway. Thanks. That explains it. Keep in mind that I wasn't at Pancho's the day Welsh broke the barrier, but this is my understanding of what happened and my sources are sources I trust. This, coupled with Yeager's comment about Scott Crossfield shortly after Crossfield was killed are enough for me. Yeager is just not my cup of tea. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Why airplanes fly
"Dudley Henriques" wrote Yeager has had years to set the record straight and give Welsh the credit that was denied him, but he hasn't done that. This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well. Both ways, it diminishes the accomplishments of two great aviation pioneers. There's a bit more to the story, but this is the skinny from my perspective anyway. I never liked how he treated other people, in general. One case comes to mind, when he was asked to comment about the first around the world un re-fueled flight, in voyager. He dismissed it, very off handedly, saying, " that was no big deal. They were not doing anything new, it was just an airplane that carried a lot of fuel," or something to that effect. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was along those lines. I vowed that day, that I would never walk to the other side of a path to meet him, hear him speak, or get an autograph. -- Jim in NC |
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